ESPAGNOL Traducido con Google Queridos amigos / as, como algunos de ustedes saben, el episodio de Canal of New Mars: All You Need Is Love, ha sido eliminado por la administración de Renderosity como contraria a la TOS. En primer lugar quiero decir que entiendo las preocupaciones de los administradores del Web enfrente de la intolerancia reinante y las posibles acciones legales y que estoy de acuerdo con lo que se había entendido las directrices TOS. No entiendo cuáles son los codicillos aplicables a la interpretación de los TOS. Quién decide y en lo que los elementos objetivos y no circunstanciales por la eliminación de una imagen. Por ejemplo: me aconsejaron que retirar un poco los caracteres. Como ya he asesorado a la Corte en Padua y por eso también trabajó con la firma jurídica estadounidense se preguntan "¿cuántos centimetros?" tuve que retirar los caracteres, a no ser criticado por un segundo tiempo y, posiblemente, prohibido como una recaída. Caso Levinsky enseña. Moderadores tenen en cuenta las diferencias culturales? Me pregunto por qué, por ejemplo, a menudo veo las imágenes sexistas ser promovido. En todas las cartas que siguió y que llevó mi primera "advertencia" oficial por la violación de los TOS, la persona que representaba Renderosity no ha mostrado voluntad ni de comprender que las diferentes culturas y sistemas legales pueden hacer que sea difícil entender lo que dice ser la legislación estadounidense, ni por cualquier foro abierto sobre un tema (la censura) que es muy sentido en Renderosity. Desde que me parece haber entendido es que esta persona podecideva la advertencia, he oído su respuesta, "independientemente de sus sentimientos" lo tomas o lo dejas, culturalmente etnocéntrica y inapropiada para un sitio que pretende ser multicultural. Porque nunca he abandonado un campo de batalla, enviará en privado a cualquiera que quiera ponerse en contacto la dirección del sitio donde se apuesta el episodio de censura. Para el futuro, creo que con respecto a las imágenes, posiblemente controvertido, en Renderosity poner la versión para los intolerantes y en otro sitio la version Director's Cut, proporcionando la dirección a aquellos que ponerse en contacto conmigo en privado. Después de todo, a pesar de muchos papas no había tenido nada que decir, poner los pantalones también las pinturas de Miguel Ángel en la Capilla Sixtina. Con este precedente, que soy yo para ser ofendida?! FRANCAIS Traduit avec Google Chers amis / ies, comme certains d'entre vous le savez, l'épisode de Nouveaux Canaux de Mars: All You Need Is Love, a été retirée par l'administration de Renderosity comme contraire à TOS. Je veux d'abord dire que je comprends les préoccupations des opérateurs du site avant de la bigoterie en vigueur et les recours possibles et que je suis d'accord avec ce J'ai réalisé que c'etais les orientations du TOS. Je ne comprends pas ce que sont l'interprétation applicable du TOS. Qui décide et sur la base de quelles preuves objectives et non circonstancielles, la sort d'une image. Par exemple: on m'a conseillé d'élogner le personnages. Comme je ai donné des conseils à la Cour de Padoue et j'ai aussi travaillé avec des firmes légales américaines, je me demande "combien de centimetres?" pour ne pas d'être critiqué une seconde fois et peut-être interdit comme une rechute. Affaire Levinsky enseigne. Les modérateurs reflètent les différences culturelles? Je me demande car, par exemple, je vois souvent des images sérieusement sexistes être "pardonnées". Je dois dire que dans toutes les lettres qui ont suivi et qui ont conduit à mon premier avertissement officiel pour violation des TOS, la personne qui representait Renderosity n'a montré ni le moindre désir de comprendre que les différentes cultures et les systèmes legal differents peuvent rendre difficile de comprendre ce qu'elle a dit être les lois américaines, ni le moindre désir d'ouvrir un forum sur une question (la censure) qui est très importante in Renderosity. J'ai entendu la reponse de la personne que je pense devait décider l'avertissement, «quel que soit vos sentiments", c'est à prendre ou à laisser, ethnocentrique et culturellement inappropriée pour un site qui se targue d'être multiculturelle. Pour faire court, parce que je n'ai jamais abandonné un champ de bataille, je communiquerai en privé à toute personne qui le desire, l'adresse du site où il y a l'image censurée. Pour l'avenir, je pense que par rapport aux images de litige éventuel, j'afficherai sur Renderosity la version pour les bigots et sur un autre site la version director's cut, en fournissant l'adresse à ceux qui me contactent en privé. Après tout, malgré plusieurs papes n'ont pas eu quelque chose à dire, on a mis les tiroirs aussi a les peintures de Michel-Ange dans la Chapelle Sixtine. Avec ce précédent, qui suis-je pour être offensé?! ITALIANO Cari amici/che, come alcuni di voi sanno, l'episodio di Canals of New Mars: All You Need Is Love, è stato rimosso dall'amministrazione di Renderosity in quanto contrario al TOS. Per prima cosa voglio dire che io capisco le preoccupazioni dei gestori del sito di fronte al bigottismo imperante e alle possibili azioni legali e che io sono d'accordo con quello che io avevo capito fossero le linee guida del TOS. Quello che non capisco sono le interpretazioni applicative del TOS. Chi decide e sulla base di quali prove oggettive e non circonstanziali la rimozione di un'opera. Ad esempio: Mi è stato suggerito di allontanare un po' le figure. Poichè io ho fornito consulenze al tribunale di Padova e perciò ho lavorato anche con firme legali Americane mi chiedo "di quanti pollici?" avrei dovuto allontanare le figure, per non essere censurata una seconda volta e magari bandita come recidiva. Caso Levinsky insegna. I moderatori tengono conto delle differenze culturali? Me lo chiedo perchè per esempio spesso vedo immagini gravemente sessiste essere promosse. In tutte le lettere che si sono susseguite e che hanno portato alla mia prima "ammonizione" ufficiale per violazione del TOS, non c'è stata da parte della persona che rappresentava Renderosity la minima volontà nè di capire che differenti culture e sistemi legali possono rendere difficile la comprensione di quelle che lei afferma essere le leggi americane nè di eventualmente aprire un forum su un problema (la censura) che è molto sentito su Renderosity. Poichè mi pare di aver capito stava a questa persona decidere se ufficilizzare l'ammonizione, ho sentito la sua risposta "regardless your feelings" prendere o lasciare (take it or leave it), culturalmente inappropriata ed etnocentrica per un sito che si vanta di essere multiculturale. Poichè mai ho abbandonato un campo di battaglia, invierò in forma privata a chiunque voglia contattarmi l'indirizzo del sito dove c'è la puntata censurata. Per il futuro penso che riguardo ad immagini possibilmente controverse posterò su Renderosity la versione per bigotti e in un altro sito quella director's cut fornendo l'indirizzo a chi mi contattasse privatamente. In fondo, malgrado molti papi non avessero avuto niente da ridire, misero i mutandoni anche alle pitture di Michelangelo nella Cappella Sistina. Con questo precedente chi sono io per offendermi?!

Hum ! They are many interesting questions. I'm surprised that only ONE personne has decided to remove your picture. A jury would be more appropriate. You make the right choice by staying in the safe side in your future creations. Virginie

Interesting, but in my experience (several warnings and a 3 day ban) the moderators are other members, like us, who have been hired by the website's operators to assist in policing the many pictures posted every day. (Check out the "About Us" tab at the top of the web page) I wholeheartedly agree with their terms of service, because, since the site is freely available, that they have a legal obligation to prevent improper images to be viewed by minors. Since they can be held accountable for the pictures we upload, they must take action to control the content. Next, since they receive approximately 500 to 1500 pictures every day (and this is just a rough guess), they need to err on the side of caution. That means their moderators are probably given strict instructions that if it looks questionable, then they should yank it, pending a review. Remember, Rendo is a buisness, and they support the galleries because it gives their consumers a place to display the products they have bought from them. That being said, if we want to keep Rendo a viable place for us to display our artwork, we should support their efforts at maintaining the site. So if we can't have 'boobies' in our thumbnails, then put something else on your thumbnail! But that's just my opinion... I could be wrong. Tom

Agree with virginiese, a jury would be more appropriate. I don't understand this decision to remove your image.

Agree with virginiese!

You did very nice pic!

I found your work wonderfully esthetic! I could not find anything offensive in this work!!!! With many other work, on which I came by accident, completely “other things” are to be seen. But no “judge” seems there to intervene. Nepotism?? And because of the moral? In your marvelous work I could not see anything immoral! On the contrary!!!!! Let you not of a few moral apostles discourage!

Dear Falvia; The things are every day more strange in RR,many artists censored... Images that in my opinion are not in disagreement with the rules of the site that all try to follow! It is very sad! I really hope that everything improves ... Dear friend do not be sad with this, only 01 work was censored ... And you and still have so many saved in your imagination and sensitivity that is better ignore it! And keep producing your wonderful works!!!!!!! Hugs. Orlando Tamburro

Let's get the facts straight here. When you join Renderosity, you agree to abide by the Terms of Service Agreement. The staff reviews any potential violations as a GROUP. Interpretation of the Terms of Service is done by the staff as a group. This includes Coordinators, Moderators and Administrators. Much like the legal profession, we follow a set of standards and precedence. The staff here is a versatile one and we have staff members from around the globe, so we are well aware of cultural differences. However, with that being said, we are bound to work with the set of guidelines we are given, the Terms of Service Agreement. Legal variations around the globe are not relevant here. Renderosity follows international standards with regards to Copyrights. Since the physical location of the site is in the state of Tennessee in the US, those are the set of LAWS they are bound to. I will suggest you tread with some caution when using the term bigot. The staff here works very hard at being fair to all members.

I think as Orlando, but several GREAT artists are away from RR for the same reasons!!! I am very touched by this situation !!! As I have written these last days...the war's images or gun's picture aren't censored...WHY ???

A very interesting debate is raging, i love your work, it is imaginative, creative and superbly done, i am not sitting on the fence here, but the TOS are designed to protect everyone, i have had things pulled up by the mods, this is when i have made mistakes, me, mainly as i have not done things that are cleary in the terms. MY mistakes.My fault. I saw the image you posted and left a comment, to my mind it was a lovely tender image, very nicely rendered, but to be fair, it did break the tos.What do we do, we learn by our mistakes,i now try to post within the guidlines because at the end of the day Rendo is a great site and a wonderful community. Please do not take this as a criticism of your opinion. Just my view on things, i will continue to support your lovely work, why, because i love it. Ian

My dear pushingfaders, thank you for your kind words. I'm happy to know that all of you saw my work and decided to remove it. This way I know that you are well informed about the matter. As I told above and in my e-mails I agreed and agree with TOS and, BTW, with Seaview123. In fact usually I don't put naked private parts in my work. As you know No private parts were at view in my image. That said, I know that in the US Courts the defence is granted and it is granted that the suspect had well understood his rights (Miranda Sentence). Well if there is some problem or the defendant asks for advice as in my case, is there any councellor for me/us in Renderosity team group? The ban needs all the people in the jury say yes or the majority is enough? I want to be honest. I'm not interested in changing your sentence, the image is already posted the Dutch website http://www.target-view.com. I'd only like to understand well how your workings work, because I like RR and I'd like to go on with happy relations as it was so far. I well understand that all of you work a lot for the site and I appreciate it and you know that I was ready to change the image, but I was ticketed because I dared to post your (of the GROUP) sentence and my counterclaims for the appeal. I find very strange that the motivation of a removal was "classified" as it was in my case. This way it's impossible to debate, and from what I can see you host forums. As to the word "bigot" in Italy it simply means old church goers in lay everyday speech, it's used in a benign, ironical way. The insulting word is "fascist", and you can understand why. I don't know if the English term has a worse meaning, if it is, I'm sorry I didn't intend to offend anyone. But I must say that by removing my picture and classifying the motivations, you inferred that I am a pornographer! That after decades of fighting against the sexist use of womens' bodies. And frankly, this is politically worse. I've read 2121's comment. Don't worry my friend, no offence taken. Instead I must say that if we want to learn from our mistakes, we have to speak, to discuss, to explain, to post forums. Just for your knoledge, I tried the rendering of the image with bath suits on both characters, from that POV it was impossible to see them. In this case what is the recipe? change the POV and the artistic view or put two images the artistic one and another camera's view just to show that they aren't naked? That is a problem I want to discuus about. If my ammonition starts a debate or a forum on this issue, on cultural differences, how to avoid pornography and preserve art and so on, I'm happy to be the lamb. In fact that is what I wanted not just legal terms, I'm feed up with that at work.

know how you feel but misunderstanding on both sides too. I had a image taken off one time. I still wonder about it for it was between the lines of the TOS or a gray area.

As I saw the image, there was no sign of penetration or any other overt act of sex other that the top view of two people, one with her legs wrapped around the waist of the other. That being said, the US has a moral dichotomy when it comes to sex, or rather a moral hypocrisy! We would allow our children to watch all types of violence on TV without the slightest qualm, but watch out if a flash of boob is shown: Moral outrage! It boggles the mind, it really does! In the interim, we must abide by the rules and if we have a question, I guess we submit to the staff and let them decide.

Dear friend I have had images of mine temporarily removed because of nudity that I had not classified as such (nor would I normally classify them as that). Then I received an e-mail warning me because I was classifying them as nudity when they were not. I still cannot clearly discern between the two cases. With me, the moderators have always been polite, but never objective about exactly what is or not to be labeled as adult content. Being Brazilian, I'm sure my perspective is different from theirs, but I have no idea precisely in what way. The best thing to do, I think, is to try to go along with what the moderators request in the best way possible (it is their site after all)and simply post elsewhere whatever is not acceptable here. Don't take the comments personally. I empathize with your objections and with you call for clearer guidelines, along with some open discussions about them. But we do what we must.

Wonderful work! Very Well Done!

I didn't see the posting. I do know that moderators have to follow strict guidelines. Think of the consequences if Renderosity were involved in a court case started by someone. The costs could be enormous. Playboy has a long history of fighting in court to prevent what I call the tyranny of the minority. They have, I believe, never lost a case but it has been very costly. A similar thing happening to Renderosity might result in the end of Renderosity since I doubt their pockets are as deep as Hugh Hefner's are. I would prefer they do not take such risks. Perhaps something offensive right now might become postable in a few years. North America still has a distance to go to escape the effects of censorship. Moderators at a particular ship photo site must reject any photo that does not show the entire ship. Can you imagine how many creative photos of portions of ships that were deleted? Several of mine went down the tube, and I deleted the rest and went elsewhere. But I was not angry! It was a free site, those were the rules they made and I was prepared to live with them. I still visit once in a while but I no longer post there. Most photos showing an entire ship are quite boring. I have found ship photography enjoyable but mostly to shoot parts that were interesting for one reason or another. There are few good photos there anymore except for those with severe weather.

first i would like to express my hope that you will stay with us in the community,man i am addicted to new mars-hehehe. as for the tos,i had a couple of issues -my fault it was ,and i came along pretty good with the staff,we exchanged sitemails i reduxed my images and since then all ok. as i pose mostly nude (not me ) the characters-lol i always try to keep em as far away from each other as possible while not destructing the scene. america is different then europe,i knew all about sex on the technical point even all the diseases (except aids in that time i am speaking of 1967-1968)because my mother facilitated me some books where the technical and biological issues where discussed. so i had no problems or complexes in that way. in the states i think that people hardly mention sex in front of their kids but wait when the lights are outor behind closed doors ,no disrespect,but thats the way the grow up.. should maybe change the educational system a little. we are more open in europe when we have private problems we talk to our partners we dont need a shrink to sit besides us and lead the discussion for things wich are in no way of his business,but i think i am going out of the story here ,it just carries me away. marital problems ,we take a beer and sit with our partner and disuss it,no need to pay someone to counsel me man, i come from the streets i handle myself. but one thing please lets be in contact and stay here .and for links of new images wich you cannot post here sitemail me or i give you my private mail. your art means a lot to me brother. to all a nice weekend and go by the TOS. greets to the rr staff as well,i know the world is getting more and more complicated by the second.

Mmm. I viewed the image, and though the composition was suggestive I did not feel it contravened the TOS. What does concern me, however, is the sudden increase in images being removed. I have noticed, this week, that a number of my friends images have been removed. Do we have a new moderator by any chance? Someone with a different perspective of what the TOS means. It is strange that there is a sudden increase this week. Well, I look forward to your next image and trust this disappointing episode has not affected your desire to post here.

I'm sorry to have missed the original image. I would have liked to have decided for myself about it.

My dear friend.... Rendo Manics strike again.... It amazes me that by SPLASHING a block banner saying NUDITY over a picture that will not cause the very people they are trying not to look, TO look!!! What brain cell thought of that... As they now teach sex education to kiddies ass young ass 10 in our schools, its time these self appointed minders got over their fear of the human body and got a life.. As long its not ACTUAL sex, who gives a hoot! Cos we don't! Who does appoint them?????? I don't get a vote! Even the mighty RGUS got a ban.... Now chew my ass! Rob..

La mia cara amica Flavia, io dispiaccio molto che abbiano censurato la sua immagine, ad ancora mio mi costa anche sapere il criterio che usano i moderatori per ritirare un lavoro di una galleria. Per il resto coincido con le opinioni di virginese. Lei continuasse con l'opera d'arte fantastica......!!! Rodolfo My dear friend Flavia, I complain a lot that they have censored your image, I still find difficult also to know the approach that the moderators use to retire a work of a gallery. Apart from this I coincide with the virginese opinions. You continue with the fantastic work of art......!!! Rodolfo

Je crois que ce site perd comme les pédales . La nuditée quelle sombre saveur il faut lui accorder?? Qui a péché lance la première pierre!!Je crois que les Artistes sont restreints dans leur oeuvres et la motricitée de leurs gestes . Ils ne font que aquiesser de leurs peines sans pouvoir réellement se défendre..Je suis très peiner de tes restrictions ma Belle ,tu ne méritait pas cela . Mais que veus-tu l'évolution restera comme le dinosaure haut et très lent,Mais les Artistes de haut niveau disparaîtront pour laisser place à la médiocritée de ce site, Sans vouloir blesser personne ((5++))

Hum Everything is al ready writing in the book of God ;-) Stay Strong and Keep going :)

Hi there - Wow - I'm surprised that your work would be found to be offensive but since I didn't see it I'm not sure how to respond. All I can say is err on the side of caution. I hope you'll continue to post your Mars chronicles. I enjoy your work! Take care.

It's a complicated debate. I am against any kind of censorship in art but I am in favor of that laws are enforced. Perhaps the question comes derived from the eternal double morality. I know many people who are against pornography in public but is consumed in private . False Puritanism? In any case I've seen and read your work and find nothing offensive, if art is a form of expression and describe a natural situation among people in the way you do, sensual but not obscene what is the problem? In short, long ago I do not understand what is happening in society. First we fight for our rights and when we have them we fight for not allowing the people to use them. Great idea!!

There will never be a clear version of TOS anywhere...the reason is the language that is used to make the rules will be interpreted by each person who reads it according to their personal understanding of it and usually there then lies debate within debate...I understand the need to protect our children but the protection lies in the hand of the parent, the parent must be knowledgeable about the situation and then teach their children accordingly. In simpler terms, honesty is always the best policy and when parents do not teach their children about their bodies it then becomes a subject taught by other children or the schools or both...thus there is a confusion created by the lack of knowledge handed out in a loving and supportive way. I read all of these comments and some are clearly knowledgeable and others are written in fear or from how they learned in a not so positive way. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but everyone seems to think their opinion is the right one...confused? me too! Every day I see the law here is not clear...example...there is a street sign that says one way, the police drive by and see someone turn up the street the wrong way and see this same person do this day after day and yet no ticket is given...so why is the law written if one is not going to enforce it? Or why do they enforce it one day but not the next? I realize that this example has veered off from the TOS debate, I offer it only as a way of seeing how confusing things are. Your works are fine works and I enjoy them immensely and your writing is wonderful, you write what you know about and that has to be a good thing! The added imagination is a bonus! Keep doing what you do Flavia. The only thing I would do as I alluded to in my email to you, is don't take the argument public:-)

I have seen numerous times renders that were just as suggestive as your post.I do not know if they were pulled, but many has not been pulled

I always enjoy your work..keep working on the chronicles!!

hello my friend so sorry to hear about this..but to me your work is always AMAZING and pls continue posting....HUGS*