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There have been a lot of posts trashing the Republican Party comparing them to the KKK and inferences that conservatives are fascists or nazis. One poster even said that if you lived in the “klan belt” you should vote republican. In point of fact there are more kkk members and neo-nazis headquartered and live in the state of Indiana then the rest of the United States combined. Source: US Census Bureau.
Below is the vote on the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Pay attention to the percentages as congress was controlled by the Democrats, giving them more seats then the Republicans. Source: The Congressional Record. For those of you who don’t know, that is not a newspaper, it is the public record kept by Congress.
Vote totals
Totals are in "Yea-Nay" format:
The original House version: 290-130 (69%–31%).
Cloture in the Senate: 71-29 (71%–29%).
The Senate version: 73-27 (73%–27%).
The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289-126 (70%–30%).
By party
The original House version:[10]
Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)
Cloture in the Senate:[11]
Democratic Party: 44-23 (66%–34%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%)
The Senate version:[10]
Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%–31%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:[10]
Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%–37%)
Republican Party: 136-35 (80%–20%)
President Lyndon Johnson was not enthused about this bill but he felt compelled to proceed with John F. Kennedy’s vision for America.
LBJ was unable to get enough support from his own party to pass The Act. He turned to the Republicans for help. The vote speaks for itself.
The two main opponents to the Civil Rights Act were Robert Byrd, a democrat and former kkk member and Strom Thurmond, also a Democrat. They tried every maneuver including a filibuster to kill the Act. They almost won. In every category the percentage of Republicans voting for The Act is far greater then their Democratic counterparts. In following civil rights bills of the 60’s and 70’s the voting is similar, check it out.
Republicans and conservatives are regularly demonized by some posters on this site. The insults range from snarky remarks to outright lies.
I spent 6 years in the Army, 3 years and 6 months in Vietnam. I retired with 30 years as a detective with a major police department. I am currently the safety officer at a metropolitan hospital I spent my life serving my Country, Community, and fellow man. I am a conservative Republican. I tell you this NOT to brag, but to illustrate that Republicans are not evil, as some would have you believe.
There are good and bad people in both parties, in the end we are all people. So stop the insults and try to find some common ground.
Comments (7)
gmartini42
I agree with you Tommy3D. Don't expect too many others to do so though. This is an art website and artists are notoriously left leaning. Intro never concedes any points EVER from what I've seen over the years. He is right and we are evil is his take on life. Nice abstract flag in the background. Sort of represents the disjointed nature of politics.
Tommy3D
kawecki
"I have a strong sense of right and wrong" Here resides the problem, who will determine and decide what is right or what is wrong, or even what is right and what is wrong ? Witches were wrong and burn witches was the right thing to do. This is the right-wing/conservative/Republican version of right and wrong. To be rich is something wrong and to take all from the rich and give them to the poor is the right thing to do, if you wish you can kill the rich too. This is the left-wing/liberal/Democrat version of right and wrong. Pinochet was right or wrong and for whom ? 9/11 was right or wrong and for whom ? The invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq was right or wrong and for whom ? Darwin was right or wrong and for whom ? Hiroshima bomb was right or was wrong ? The Tzar or the bolches were right or wrong ? Who was right and who was wrong, the dictator Fulgencio Batista or the dictator Fidel Castro ? Tell me now, what is right and what is wrong.....
Tommy3D
@kawecki If I understand you correctly, you are referring to shades of gray. One makes a decision based on the facts known at the time, then time and events judge right or wrong. A strong moral compass and common sense guide a person to make the right decision. And yet one can still be wrong sometimes.I will tell you what is right and wrong in simple terms. It is wrong to molest a child. It is right to lock up the molester in prison for his crime. In most cases there is a clear line between right and wrong, don't get caught up in the line blurring game, if you do common sense goes out the window and you will never know the difference between the two.
TallPockets
DUMB, INDEPENDENT TallPockets operates on the life philosophy: How Ye Treat The Least Among Us Is Also How Ye Treat Me" .... This is a 'religious' quote, obviously, but T.P. finds it to be a belief he would hold whether he was such or not. He was raised in a family of NINE. SHARING was not a LUXURY but a NECESSITY. He also played and coached many 'sports'. He quickly learned, A CHAIN is only as strong as it's WEAKEST link. In our FAMILIES, we seem to 'get' the notion that we're ALL in this TOGETHER. OUR BELOVED MILITARY, operates on similar assertions, which is why THEY are the BEST at what they do (Leave NO man BEHIND). WE the PEOPLES seem to 'get' this in EVERYTHING EXCEPT our ''politics''? WHY, this DUMB old INDEPENDENT PATRIOTIC citizen MOST HUMBLY asks? "WHY"? TallPockets has come to the conclusion, after almost '60' years on this planet earth and as an AMERICAN citizen, FIRST, and a POLITICAL type SECOND: NEITHER 'side' o' politics has a MONOPOLY on GENIUS OR STUPIDITY. OUR political history is FILLED with such instances o' BOTH .... In his SIMPLETON views, it's FAR past time for a WE THE PEOPLE's THIRD PARTY. Pick ANY '3' politicians - Calling ONE of them the BEST is like calling MOE the SMARTEST of the THREE STOOGES. OR .... Arguing about WHICH side (dems/repubs) are BEST is like hearing two HOOKERS yelling at the other about WHICH is the 'biggest slut'. (They're ALL BOUGHT and PAID for and have LOBBYISTS aplenty nearby! ... WE the PEOPLE have NO LOBBY .... Time for OUR 'Egyptian' moment?) ~SIGHS America, LOVE it AND make it even BETTER. My BEST to ALL: INDEPENDENT-ly yours, TallPockets.
turner
"there are more kkk members and neo-nazis headquartered and live in the state of Indiana then the rest of the United States combined." LOL Sounds great....
intro
Common Ground? Okay. We both don't like abortion. I defy you to find anybody who does. But all I've heard from the GOP since the midterms is: JOBS,JOBS,JOBS!" And all they've DONE about it? Propose cuts in Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Education and Public Safety. Did I forget the "dog and pony show" on ObamaCare? The COST if implemented? 800,000 jobs. Beyond that? THREE abortion bills:NONE of which will stop abortion, but ALL of which will make it harder to get convictions for rape, BY RE-DEFINING IT. Really making "JOBS" a priority aren't they? I don't remember their campaign slogan being "Rape,Rape,Rape! Common ground? Wisconsin. Where a Republican Governor gave away 1.5 billion dollars in state revenue to BILLIONAIRES and is NOW using that SELF-INFLICTED "budget crisis" to BUST the Public Employees UNIONS. Unions (the folks who created the weekend, vacations, sick pay, medical benefits, worker safety, and invented "retirement")have directly benefited ALL workers;NOT just union workers Unless you think Companies just give fringe benefits because THEY'RE NICE GUYS!:)) 14 Democrats (all of 'em)LEFT THE STATE in support of the workers. 19 Republicans (all of 'em) stand with the Governor's rich buddies. Same thing in Ohio, in Delaware, in Florida. Different states, same split. They praise the "9-11 First Responders" as "Heroes" and cut their benefits and call them "bottom feeders". They "support the troops" and starve the Veterans, the disabled, and their families. DEFENSE CORPORATIONS, however get ALL THE MONEY THEY NEED. "NO SWEAT. There's GOT to be a Veteran's Hospital we can close, or GI BILL "entitlement" we can dump somewhere!" WHO NEEDS BODY ARMOR?? THIS is your Republican Party. It's not that I don't understand your position. But for thirty years, there I've seen its price. We're becoming a "third world" nation of billionaires and paupers. Where do YOU stand, Tommy? How "common" is the ground under your feet? ------------------------- Original post: Always happy to find common ground.........BUT........ Anyone who knows ANYTHING about the Congressional Record KNOWS this: It often misrepresents the ACTUAL positions of the member. Anyone who knows ANYTHING about the pre-1964 south was that its congressmen were largely Democrats. SO the ratio of pre-1964 votes is absolutely meaningless; and I dare say DOWNRIGHT DECEPTIVE, when taken out of the 1960's context. Southern Democrats at that time were NOTORIOUSLY racist. Lyndon Johnson KNEW that if he passed the Civil Rights act of 1964, Democrats would lose the south for a generation, WHICH THEY DID! The south is now largely Republican BECAUSE of the Civil Rights act of 1964. In fact to this day Republicans in the south embrace racism as "the southern strategy" to hold seats. As far as your census data, I personally find it interesting that all the NEO-NAZIs and KLANSMEN in Indiana (and ostensibly elsewhere)just piped right up and bragged about it in the census.........sure they did!) Funny, MY census form didn't ask ME about the KKK or the Nazis...strange, huh? SO...as far as common ground, I'm right there with you. It's the GOP that's waving the "NO COMPROMISE" banner. Let's start with Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Veterans Benefits and JOBS. Where's your common Ground NOW? Are you really Republican?? WHY??? So far, all I've heard from the GOP is: KILL A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE, Cut Social Security and Give TAX BREAKS to TRILLIONAIRES! But as far as common ground for you and I: I do like your image! That's Something...