Ok, its silly, I know. I felt like using the free prop some how ;-) DAZ then Reality then a wee bit of photoshop. Note about the character: Since I've been using DAZ I've probably made 10 or 12 characters by slightly changing different body and face morphs, and creating all different names. But this one (that I seem to be using a lot lately) I created by "testing" Every possible slider, in every face and body morph. I would just move every one right, left and stopped when I thought it looked the best. An this is what I came up with, by this time I kind of ran out of name ideas, Struggled for a while, then thought she just kind of looks like a Victoria to me anyway. (Kind of Italian-ish maybe) So thats the long version of why this character is being used so much, it took quite a while to create. THANKS for listening and looking and Thank you so much for all of your nice comments on all of my postings too. P.S. Not afraid of any tips tricks or criticism either, Im still learning ;-)