Incendia next and MB3D Thanks for views and comments. Tried a lot of spacecraft designs and finally settled on these craft. The way i do these images is to mix, in Mandelbulb 3d, up to 6 formula ( with many choices for parameters) until I get a mix that look interesting. Then I zoom around until I find a view that will work as a background or object ( that I can gut out). I make a bunch of shots to select from when setting photoshop layers. In Incendia Next I mix a number of saved mesh and render variations in shape and colour saved on a clear background png. I make the spacecraft from layers of saved rendered pngs. walt