generated a much better sss map (not that it needed one, but im testing the process), increased the actual density and still added the modifier, not much difference. i do like it, i just cant figure out why the texture has a very painterly, dreamlike effect. its cool and has a unique artistic and visual appeal, but thats not the look or style i was going for, lol... and i realize that that is how all of my matmorphs come off... painted fantasy, but im going for photorealistic grunge and grit =P my zbrush polypainting and genetica textures as smart materials for painting in 3d coat.