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IRAQ vs USA

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B_PEACOCK

12:30AM | Tue, 22 June 2004

Cool image .

19Paul

12:41AM | Tue, 22 June 2004

Wow, there's so much going on here I dont' know where to start. The thing might as well be an ink blot ;)

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Vik9740

3:07AM | Tue, 22 June 2004

if we could just take the "VS" out of that, we'd all be just fine :)

kldorman

9:07AM | Tue, 22 June 2004

Again, WONDERFUL, e!! I love the reaction. At first, it is an immediate, guttural response and then as I take time to sit back and think about the image, so much comes to mind. Of course, as I'm doing internet research all day at work, I think I'll slip in some personal reading. LOL ;) Keep up the good work, e!

servo

6:40PM | Tue, 22 June 2004

The problem isn't with the artistic skill, it's with the political spin, intentional or not... It isn't Iraq vs the USA. It's Islamofacists Everywhere vs. Freedom Everywhere. Iraq is a strategic battleground in a much bigger conflict. If the USA were out to get Iraq, it could easily be entirely destroyed and occupied. That's not what's happening. Instead, brave young Americans and their allies (from many, many countries) are paying the price with their lives trying to give the people of Iraq something that only one other country in the middle east (Israel) has... Democracy and Freedom: Freedom of religion, the vote, and self-governance. And I'm damn proud of them.

stevermstrong

7:35PM | Tue, 22 June 2004

Kudos to servo.....As a retired Vietnam Vet with service connected disabilities, like many others in my shoes, we would be there as well if given the opportunity and abilities because we have seen how the other side lives, "verses" how we live in America...and it should be evident to all that live in freedom that our battle is just, and right, and honorable.

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Turin_Returns

2:40AM | Wed, 23 June 2004

Some interesting responces. I like how Americans view themselves...its good to live in a land of fantasy ;)

aspirinetu

11:10PM | Thu, 24 June 2004

YOU ARE SICK X( Brainwashing really did a great job

lookoo

5:53AM | Fri, 25 June 2004

"a land full of personal freedoms like no other country on the planet". The exeptional thing about America is that it thinks it is so exeptional. I know quite a couple of countries, including my own, where people enjoy just at least as many freedoms as the people in the US. Plus some added goodies like not having to fear prosecution for certain sexual practices or capital punishment (including mentally retarded people and minors). Or being detained without charges ad infinitum, without access to a lawyer or anyone under the Patriot Act. "It's Islamofacists Everywhere vs. Freedom Everywhere." There are two kinds of people in the world. Those who think that there are two kinds of people in the world and those who don't (that was Stephen Fry, not me). "If the USA were out to get Iraq, it could easily be entirely destroyed and occupied. That's not what's happening." No regime seeking to control another country would want to destroy the prize, murder hundreds of thousands of people of a country it wants to occupy afterwards etc. (I really don't know where these "if-we-wanted-to-we could-nuke-every-country" phanatsies come from). Accordingly the US army protected all oil facilities and the oil ministry in Baghdad (whereas chaos and looting outside these facilities were allowed to happen because the people were unimportant). The independent Iraqi civillian bodycount figures are presently between 10 thousand and 11 thousand civillians killed after the start of the war. The phantasies of the Neocons of the streets filled with Iraqis cheering at the troops that killed thousands of them have - strangely- not materialized. Whatever a new Iraqi government will be - the more truly independent it will be, the more anti-American it will be. That much Bush has indeed accomplished. Bush senior left Saddam in place because he knew that dictatorships crack down on insurgents and terrorists. He instigated Sunni and Kurdish uprisings, then changed his mind and let the Republican Guards do their bloody work because he valued stability higher than freedom. Bush Jr. waged an illegal war because he thought he had a score to settle and needed a replacement client regime for the increasingly shaky Saudis. As good as it is that Saddam is gone, Bush made almost every mistake he could have made. The world knows that the reasons for the war were invented. If Iraq was a threat, why then did all of Iraq's neighbors object to the US invasion? No WMD, no Al-Qaida involvment, the Iraqi army a shadow of a shadow of it's past might. Thousands of cilillians killed, a vast but simply unknown number of Iraqis in uniforms killed, US Army supply bases officially named after US oil corporations (sic!), no Army protection for anything but oil facilities, abounding contempt for the "ragheads" by the new masters, the infrastructure bombed to rubble by the US and still in shambles today, regular house raids by US soldiers etc. It's fascinating to see that all these smart analysts are now so surprised by the guerilla war that ensued and by the fact that they created a new breeding ground for Islamic terrorism in Iraq. No matter what kind of government Iraq will have, if it is really free it will be thoroughly anti-American. Or will it not? Actually that would be the first time that America tolerates an anti-American government in its ever-expanding spheres of influence. We may rest assured that the US Army and the CIA will remain busy in the next years. Sadly, all this has little to do with "freedom" but everything with Empire.

captor213

11:26PM | Fri, 25 June 2004

Maybe all the jihad just needs one big group hug...eeeeccccggggkkkk.

Methodius

5:49PM | Wed, 30 June 2004

See if you can get a reaction like Lookoo gave then you have something. I mean the art is going to give different impressions with different people. I see it as a 9/11 piece, I have to, I will explain. First off it states to anyone seeing it "IRAQ.....ok once more IRAQ vs USA" Thats why I take it this way because they did start the whole thing basically. Second The fire on IRAQ to me doesn't mean we are doing it to IRAQ it means they did it to us "First" hence the "IRAQ vs USA" Third the fire is what IRAQ did to use in the World trade Center buildings, they caused fire....and killed plenty of people, this is what makes me feel like the IRAQ on "FIRE" and what looks like to me the USA is "MELTING". Thats why I think 9/11 image in my mind. (if you haven't ever been burned, its like melting). Anyway I will leave it at that and keep going on, like a new picture the USA on fire and IRAQ melting, but you never know what the artist had in mind... I gave it an Excellent rating because I may have looked at it a different way but it is good and thats what the comments are for :) Good work keep it up.

SurfAce

4:06PM | Sat, 03 July 2004

it seems that Bush's christian fundamentalists have killed more civilians than Al Qaida's Muslim fundamentalists those past four years. Add all the mess with tortures,WMD, no link between Iraq and al Qaida, Enron, Haliburton ... it seems that all Americans are now wearing the blue dress. At least, when Clinton lied, nobody died.


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