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Subject: Recommendations for a graphics box?
Sounds like a good system to me. I have a 900 Mhz AMD Athlon 384 MB RAM Geforce2 MX 64MB card 17" monitor If you really want to try a different system try AMD chips. They are cheaper and in a lot of cases faster than the same P4 chip though they do run hotter. Other than that I see nothing wrong with the system you have. CPU power is main determination with render speed in Bryce. Only way to speed it up is to get a faster CPU and/or network render with Bryce Lightning (if you have Bryce 5).
celeron 850mhz 256mb pc133 invidia riva tnt 32mb 850mb hard drive windows me with a 10 gig slave drive. a good way of keeping your cpu cool is this mind you this is what i did is i used a case fan mounted to the heatsink using heat resistant silicon sorry bad spelling.i overclocked my 850mghz to a 1.33ghz and the temp did not rise.
After sticking three years to a P3 500, I bought myself a new machine in November: P4 2,54 GHZ 512 MB DDR Ram (need more, at least 1 Gig) Board ASUS P4B533 HDD Seagate ST-38001a 80 GB ASUS GeForce 4Ti 4400 Win2000 Prof and a used 20" monitor (NEC MultiSync) PC Mark 2002 (1024*768, 32 Bit): CPU: 6226 RAM: 5325 HDD: 874 I am pretty happy with that, but instead of rendering quicker I am starting to use real volumetrics in Bryce which is a pain in rendertime. I need a new computer. ;-) Greets, Jimi
1.2GHz AMD Athlon 640Mb RAM Geforce2 64MB card 20Gb hard drive Bryce 5 Poser 5 Rhino Photoshop PaintShopPro Sounds like you are running a pretty good system. All you really need is fast CPU and lots of RAM to have these graphically intense programs run efficiently. I feel I could do with more CPU power and 1Gb of ram would be good too, but I'll have to wait for the bank balance to settle down before I can afford what I want. Catlin
Wow. What a collection. I looked at a G4 dualie 1.25 with the superdrive, 2 gig of RAM and that spiffy 22" monitor they have. At $6k+, I'm afraid my wife would shoot me. I'm wondering if a Tyan or MSI board with dual AMD MP processors with a 3-4 Gig RAM capability may nor be the way to go. Also, what kind of vid cards are you folks using? RIght now I only have a GeForce GTS Pro 32mb.
Stock HP752n Windows XP Home 2.0 g pentium 4 512mg ram 60 g hard drive (only 40 g accessible-20 g is system reboot, instead of using boot disk) thinking of adding outboard USB hard drive for image and bryce file storage so drive will be able to run a bit faster Bryce5 Poser4 Photoshop Elements 1 Very few dropouts with my core art programs. Usually my fault for overloading with Bryce. Since you posted here, I'll say you've got everything to run Bryce efficiently. Be sure to download the free update for Bryce 5 if that's what you'll be using. It fixes some problems with Bryce trees and metaballs among other pluses.
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AthlonXP palomino 1800+ (With king-size cooler). 512 MB RAM at 266Mhz. Gigabyte 7DXR Dual-BIOS motherboard. Creative Voodoo Banshee 16MB GPU at 100Mhz. (I know, antique :) maybe I'll buy a Radeon 9700PRO this month.) IBM 120 GXP stripe-RAID with 2 disks of 61,4GB. Philips 8x4x24 CD-RW. (DVD-burner comming soon, 2 or 3 months) 17" Iyama monitor. 62,5 cm high tower. Software: WindowsME (Will there ever be a Bryce for linux?) Bryce 5 Amapi 5.15 Poser 3 (practically unused) PSP UFX Truespace 3 Terragen And many other programs I can sometimes get my hands on. I'm going to buy an Athlon64 if it comes out and if it's going to be as fast as I hope it will be. And if I have the money ofcoarse.
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P4 1.7 on Intel 845E m/b 512 MB RAM PC 133 GeForce2 Ti 64MB Samsung 1200NF 22" monitor (you have no idea how good this) Windows2000 on a 34GB partition Windows 98SE on a 6GB partition, for games. :-) I didn't build this one myself, but it was put together in the shop by my specs. (A year ago.) I installed the Windows meself. And Rayraz, I'd really, I mean really, recommend switching to Win2000. Windows ME is simply bad. I haven't had BSOD since I installed Win2000. The other partition freezes and/or goes blue every once in a while, but this one is stable. I just close the misbehaving program.
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Isn't Win2K super memory intensive? I've only got 512MB you know. When I start Windows ME I have 480MB free ram, but my mother's laptop has WinXP and has all the 256 MB RAM used by Windows. And WinXP is NT-based just like Win2K. My WinME is usually very stable, but that's because I don't install to much shit on it.
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Rayraz, Win2000 isn't like XP. XP eats large amounts of RAM, Win2k less. That's because XP is for "home users" with many useless and fancy stuff inside and Win2k is more a professional OS. Not really, but the most professional of all Windows systems. I'd never install XP or ME - that's crap. Sorry. Greets, Jimi
Currently, I have a 355mHz with 194mb ram, so I'm envious of you all... Depending on how bad I get hit on taxes, I'm thinking of picking up a new box, most likely a very extreme laptop with a docking station or port replicator (I'm really tired of either networking my desktop and laptop or using zip disks) I'm literally at work more hours of the week than I am at home... It'd be nice to have only one machine, but I have a scanner, printer, and a really nice 20" lcd monitor. Ahh, me...
(Will there ever be a Bryce for linux?) Rayraz: This question is probably like asking if McDonalds will ever start serving escarot. McDonalds probable answer: "We don't get much call for it." Corel's probable answer to your question: the same as McDonalds. My brother uses linux in his job as an engineer. He likes it a lot, and knows way more than I do about computers, so I assume it's a great O.S. (I got a degree in Biology, and once took a course in Basic programming, in 1982...wow, huh? It came in real hand when I wrote 2 basic programs on my Commodore 64, LOL. One generated ramdom nasty insults. The other was a video solitaire poker program that actually worked. Never wrote another program. Too much work. No money in it for me. :^) )
This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.
Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.
"I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather....not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus." - Jack Handy
Oops...escarot=escargot. hand=handy. (No one would ask anyone for escarot, unless that spells a word somewhere) Can't spell for hsit today.
This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.
Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.
"I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather....not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus." - Jack Handy
ramdom= random. I give up. I will proofread before hitting the Post Reply Button...I will proofread before hitting the Post Reply Button...I will proofread before hitting the Post Reply Button... Did I spell "proofread" right?
This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.
Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.
"I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather....not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus." - Jack Handy
Athlon 2100+ 2 Western Digital 120 Gig HD with 8meg buffer 60 gig IBM 45 gig IBM 1 gig PC2700 GForce 2 Ultra 64 meg DDR vid card. (Soon upgrading to Gforce FX) Running WinXP Pro Working off of a 21" Haven't had a problem yet and render times are pretty good. Well, once it locked up, but that was my fault. (please don't ask how) Suggestion, whatever system you get, get yourself a program called Cacheman. It is a memory recovery program and it works very well to get back lost cycles.
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Check out www.alienware.com They make high-performace graphics machines. If you get a mac, try to get a single provessor 1-Ghz. Bryce can;t use dual processors, and you most likely won't need them unless you are doing some damn serious stuff, like rendering an animation with Maya. Hell, you might even be able to buy 3 imacs or emacs and just netowrk render. That way you have just about 3 Ghz of mac processor power which is probably equivalent to a 5 Ghz pc. And you have 3 separate machines!
"3D Studio Max 5 brings burn, the rendering client for Linux." Erlik: I'm not clear here...I'm guessing...3D Max 5 has a version that works with Linux, but only if you have burn to run in conjunction with it? I love computers, but my knowledge about them is like my knowledge of automobiles...I can use them pretty well, but my technical knowledge is one notch above doodly-squat (almost nothing).
This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.
Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.
"I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather....not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus." - Jack Handy
Aye, I'm surprised there's not more Mac users here! But delighted, nonetheless! We run a spectrum of PC's here, and by PC's I mean AMD systems. Cost-per-renderminute is the key here. Don't waste your money on lesser tools, because that extra 100 bucks will at least get you a Wacom tablet or something fancy...! (6) AMD Athlon 1.2Ghz 256 & 512 MB DDR (1) AMD Athlon 2400+ 512 MB DDR(266, not the new stuff) (1) P-3 900 512 MB PC133 and finally, my work computer... (1) Pentium 2/266 64 MB PC-66 Thus, large corporations are more cost-effective. While losers (like me) are managing ridiculous projects at HOME that often fail, the "winner-me" at WORK only attempts petty, simplistic scenes, and thus is more cost effective and productive! The coolest part of using more than one machine isn't just Lightning, but the ability to have several versions of the same scene rendering or just available for tweaking, it's a blast! Mostly I just do commercial stuff though, I didn't get them all for Bryce... I've done some benchmarking with Bryce 5, my home p3-900's test scene rendered in 1:39, the AMD 1.2's did it in :52-:54, the 2400+ did it in :38! 2 AMD 1.2's did it in :42, but I have yet to try all of them combined... My work machine never finished it, though... (laughs!) Also, Madmax, I think your math is preposterous. Three Macs equal to five PC's? Not to be offensive, but that's totally ridiculous, and I'd love to see any Mac touch the AMD's render times! Also, Alien's are the most over-priced PC's on the market, clown shoes really. Research in these areas is the key...
You have a good enough system for Bryce 5. If you're going to get into animations in Bryce, then a few other boxes on a network wouldn't hurt (Bryce lightening network rendering works great for animations). I have: amd 2.1 asus A7M266 half gig ram (need more) ATI 8500DV all in wonder card 450W power supply (often overlooked by homebuilders, a decent power supply is important) Win2k SP3 (best OS ever made by MS IMHO).
Well...after reading everyone's comments, I went ahead and splurged. I have purchased all the components to build a box. Here they are: BioStar M7VIG AMD XP 2200 2 Maxtor 5200 RPM 80 gig Hard drives Inno3D/Nvidia GF4 MX440 128 meg ram vid card 2 gig of SDRAM LG CD-RW/DVD Combo Drive Case w/400w power supply and f/r USB support floppy We'll see how it performs. Thanks to everyone for the help and responses.
Can I come over and play with your new system? :^)
This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.
Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.
"I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather....not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus." - Jack Handy
Shadowdragonlord: Madmax said that 3Ghz of Mac power is about the same of 5GHz of PC power, not 3 Macs is 5 PC's, because 5 serious render-pc's would have much more than 5Ghz in total. But make note of this while thinking about madmax's point: Intel has a CISC core in it's processors and AMD has a RISC core with CISC-input. RISC is far better for numbercrunching like for rendering in bryce. Because AMD has to convert the CISC input to make it usable for it's RISC core it has little (but still some) benefit from it's RISC structure. RISC is far better then CISC when it comes to pure calculating force. MAC PC's have a RISC processors and these processors also get RISC input. That way there's no translation needed like in the AMD's and the full potential of the RISC core can be used. A MAC at 1GHz is much faster than an Intel or AMD at 1Ghz. I don't excactly know how much faster, but I think madmax isn't far of.
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BTW I'm jealous of your fantstic spectum of PC's (6) AMD Athlon 1.2Ghz 256 & 512 MB DDR (1) AMD Athlon 2400+ 512 MB DDR(266, not the new stuff) (1) P-3 900 512 MB PC133 !!! That must render bryce-scenes really fast!
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Aye, it does... We've been playing with a lot of silly volumetrics lately....! I understand the concepts behind your logic, Rayraz, but it's not realistic. I've played with Macs, a LOT, waaaaaay too much. I also can make decent toast, and can even cook breakfast on occasion! My iron is top-notch, and I never, ever use it. Macintosh's are for people who don't want to deal with the bullshit, and are wiling to sacrifice power for ease-of-use. That is why many low-end graphics companies use them, nobody wants to pay extra to train for tech support. As far as the mathematics go, though, it's just simple algebra. Macintosh users, like the pathetic $50K Sun Sparcstation users before them, feel that a few words will make up for years of statistics and research. Simple or Complex? (SISC vs. RISC) It's not so. A good, well-equipped AMD or Intel chip will blow away any Mac, I've done the benchmarks for years. We all know what $3K will buy us in terms of Apple hardware. One machine, if you're lucky. My entire network costs less than that. It's like buying a Corvette, vs. a Nissan Skyline. Sure, the Corvette looks cooler, but which one performs better? It's really quite cut-and-dry, once you remove your biases. Toys belong in schools, for the kids. Back to ART, though. A 500 dollar sable brush in the hands of an idiot will never equal a toothpick in the hands of a master! Render away...!
Shadowdragonlord: Not clear what bs I'm dealing with by using my brand of pc? Not trying to defend it, consider doing that bs in itself, just want to understand what you mean.
This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.
Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.
"I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather....not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus." - Jack Handy
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I'm a newbie when it comes to graphics, but I really enjoy doing the work. I am currently using a P4 1.8 GHz box with 1 Gig of RAM and a GeForce MX440 64m vid card with a Dell M991 19" monitor. I was interested in finding out what other people are using, or what recommendations for a different system might be. I'm seriously considering a different system.