i've engendered some confusion by adding directories and various software back to metacreations time to my recent poser5 install. But when I couldn't find "female character" and male character" faces in the new directory I went to the new reference manual to see if I had overwritten anything or with the face room it was not needed. Nowhere could i find what a clean install should look like. Whoever is writing their technical manuals needs to move on their boredom shows. Could one of the programmers or experts please post the directory tree as it comes out of the box so i can see what i did? tanks

Y'know, I initially believed that Poser 5 had all of the content from Poser 4 and Pro Pack, but now that you've mentioned it, I realize that the old P4 male and female characters (Carmen, Greta, Eddie, Peter, etc.) aren't included.

thanks that helps alot ....

After I installed Poser5, I copied the Geometries, Libraries, Reflection Maps, and Textures folders from my Poser4/Pro-Pack Runtime directory to the Poser5 Downloads/Runtime directory. Everything seems to work. A lot of the stock stuff is duplicated, but at least things work and I can access all of my old stuff and the P5 stuff from P5. Someday I'll delete the duplicates.

Wouldn't it be easier to add the Poser 4 and/or Propack to P5 as external runtimes?!?

If you are responding to what I said, I'm not sure I understand. My P4/PPP content is in a different runtime folder than the stuff that comes with P5. My poser5 has 2 runtime directories: ..Curious Labs/Runtime/ and ..Curious Labs/Downloads/Runtime/. I installed my P4/PPP stuff in the latter. If you need to reinstall P5, everything in the ..Curious Labs/Runtime/ folder will be lost, but the stuff in ..Curious Labs/Downloads/Runtime/ will be preserved. Anyway, this seems to work for me. All of the P4 and P5 files are accessible from P5.

what i wanted the clean install for was to comapre it to my original install to see but since lil dragon was nice enough to post it I don't need to do it thanks all my problem has been solved. mahalo all you folks!

But Ericroy, I think what Hogwarden meant was why don't you just let your P4/PPP stuff stay put in the P4 Runtime and then link to THAT runtime from P5. My P5 has 3 Runtimes, it's own, the Download one and the P4 Runtime. The Download one is empty. I install all new stuff into my old trusty P4 Runtime (except things made specially for P5 such as dynamig clothing) becourse this way I can access my stuff from BOTH P4 and P5. I still do a lot of work in PPP as it's much faster than P5.

I didn't realize that you could link to, and share the P4 runtime directory. I'll have to try that.

I've actually gone a strange route. Figuring that my only real use for P4PP was to allow importing of Poser scenes in other apps (C4D and LW, in particular) and the fact that P5's library directory structure is better, I reduced the P4PP Runtime to the basic install and moved everything to P5. Now that doesn't seem strange, but, in order to load P5 scenes into P4PP to save out and then load into C4D and LW, I had to duplicate the Geometries and Textures directories of P5 within P4PP (otherwise, it tries to load the P5 scene and fails when it cannot find the necessary parts). My method is an accident waiting to happen, but will have to do until CL releases the P5PP and someone makes a P5 C4D plugin.