Hi, I am really tired of my Asus GeForce 2 that in theory should have a very good Open GL, but in facts, forces me to DISABLE Open GL in order to be able to use Vue 4. If I don't disable Open GL, my Vue 4 crashes as soon as I start it. I hate that. Could anyone please recommend a video card that: 1. Is cheap - my finances are modest, I can afford to spend only little outside of my living needs. 3. Lets me work at 1280x1040 with a decent refresh rate (at least 85 Hz, 100 would be better) 2. Works FOR SURE with Vue 4's Open GL Doesn't have at all to be state of the art, it just has to meet the above requirements. Thank you, I look greatly forward to your help and indications. Orio

Vue is pretty flakey about Open GL in my experience. I have tried 3 different video cards since I've had Vue 4 and none would work with it. The first two (An ATI something-or-other that was so rubbbish I took it back, and a Geforce 2 MX) did exactly as you described. I now have a Geforce 3, and although it doesn't crash outright, if I move elements around, it doesn't refresh the window views, so I just end up with trails of lines and meshes all over the place until it eventually obscures the scene. Hence I have never had the benefit of using Open GL with Vue.

Hi there, regarding the refresh problems with OpenGL enabled: disable "background draw," and you should be fine (i.e. no artefacting). OpenGL support in Vue4 is very slow, though--the software mode is a lot faster, regardless of what VGA you use. It's not an issue with small scenes, but in large ones? OpenGL is pretty much useless. The latest ATI drivers resolved many OpenGL problems, hence ATI cards are preferable to NVIDIA-based boards, right now, for Vue. You can get a decent video board for $100 or less (Radeon7500 / 9000), but signal quality might be an issue with cheaper makes. With Detonator40, OpenGL runs fine on NVIDIA boards with Vue as well, as long as you disable "background draw." But here, again, the make will determine the signal quality. 1280x1024@85 shouldn't be too much of a problem, but you'll have to compare video cards to make sure you won't end up with slight smearing on-screen. ta, -Sascha.rb

Thanks Sascha, but I don't have a refresh problem, I have a plain straight CRASH problem and i need to find a video card that let me USE Vue 4 with Open GL! There MUST be at least ONE card that works... else how could Eon people work on it?

Hi Orio, what drivers do you use? What operating system? What settings? ta, -Sascha.rb

My Nvidia TNT 2, 64 works great with OpenGL. But I think it is already an older card (about 2 Years for me). Guitta

Hello, I use a Nvidia geForce4 ti4400 processor based card with 128Mb RAM. I have 41.xx drivers with it, with hacking of the driver to behave like Quadro 750 XL !! OPEN GL works fine, but i can't be used with max details, or i need 5 minutes to refresh the four screens of Vue when moving anything on one screen ! (i have a Athlon 1600 XP processor !). So what i'm doing is using Mesh view in all the windows, with the detail cursor slightly decreased from the max value. But the small preview window (thanks to Open GL) is very usefull to see how light is on the scene for example. Hope this will help you !

It's boring to see that the OpenGL still dont work. I dont understand that Vue can get those god reviews when OpenGL works so bad. Even Shareware and Open Source applications has better OpenGL support than Vue has. I know that Vue uses some fancy OpenGL stuff but I'm sure that a mayority of the users whould prefere the same OpenGL options as there is in other 3D applications that has refresh rates that I have clocked to be about 100 times faster than Vues OpenGL. Even if that means that some of the features cant be used. To not dissapoint thoes that has cards that works they could make it an option to use the Standard OpenGL or the Fancy OpenGL. If this not is taken care of in Vue5 then there is no chance i will do the upgrade. Well maybe if they add everything needed for figure animations. Such as bones, constrains, Poses/Morphs, Smartskin............

Like Guitta I have an old TNT 2 (in my case a TNT2 Ultra) and OpenGL worked fine. I say "worked" because I updated the drivers last week and now Vue is unhappy with OpenGL turned on.

So Guitta, don't upgrade. I've had other video problems since then, too (some Windows interface items are being drawn wrong--quite a problem).

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Hi Orio...same 'problem' I got here...am too wanted to upgradeand did asked this question here before what e-on use with regards to hardware video to do their own stuff. The answer I got fromhere (not e-on) was they tested all the cards (LOL!). Anyway, msot card mentioned here looks like they are for gamers rather serious application. I'm using a low end 3d labs VGX 1 (with certified Open GL use with other high end 3d application) and never had any Open GL problem except some slow down which is exceptable...crashed?..no. I don't mind changing to a 3d Labs higher end video board but never got any clue if they work great with Vue...may be e-on would say.."yes" we are using it, there then I would spend on the expensive ones. There is no such thing as 3d rendering card for currently for application, and as mentioned before here by someone, there is a difference for "play back" like games and those for application type rendering. If you are a gamer at time two between works, I guess you have to compromise. 3d Labs have different type..my best suggestion is to heck it out at 3b Labs.com There are others but can't think it off my head now. Good luck. If you found anything good, do give a hollier.

I think one point might be, that in the past several open GL standards were used (for e.g the one used in Unreal 1 wasn't really compatible with the others). I'm using a MX-Twin-view Geforce 2 and i had no crash of vue,but when the scenes reach a certain complextivity, it grows very slow as well.So Open Gl is turned off most of the time and another positiv point is that imported objects are better to recognize in the software-mode now. I'm using a single Athlon XP 1800+ with 1024 Mb-Ram at the moment under Win 2k pro. cheers rollmops:-)

Well the thing here is.. Do E-On want to sell more or less. If E-ON is aiming at the proffessional 3D industry then it might be OK to talk about 'gamer' cards as not being real 3D cards. If however they are aiming at a broader market witch adverticeing and the pricetag indicates then it's not OK. It's OK that not the fancy stuff works on those card and that something more is offered to the users with proffecional 3D cards but the 'normal' user should at least have a working standard OpenGL so that they don't feel totaly ignored. E-On can't expect card manufacturers to adopt to the demand of E-On and E-On cant expect that ordinary users that don't make money on what they produce, whould pay as much for the craphic card alone as the rest of the computer because that will never happen. I also must say that I have not seen information prior to buying Vue that informed me about the fact that OpenGL in practice not will work on most 3D cards. Still... I prefere Vue without OpenGL before Bryces irritating none standard interface. But I won't upgrade untill E-On makes the OpenGL work on the harware that probably the mayority of the users have.

Agree, Hellborn. I find it a bit amusing that Eon expects users to adapt their hardware to Eon's software....rather than the other way around. I've read a lot of discussion here and elsewhere about the subject. I have a bunch of other graphic programs on my machine, and NONE of them have the graphic card/driver problems that Vue has. The only way I can get it to work is turning off the OpenGL for Vue.

Amen ... it's preposterous and ANNOYING.

I have changed now to a Radeon 9500, it works as great as my old Nvidia2 with OpenGL. :-)Guitta

Hmmmm .... interesting. That's encouraging, thanks for the update. However, I'm still hoping they will address the issue, rather than hiding from it/turning their backs on it. It is DEFINITELY their problem. -Tim

I have a GEForce 3 and it doesn't crash, refreshes okay, but is just too slow to use. I don't like to disable the background thread. So I use wireframe. I'm still trying to figure out the right slider settings to use so I can see what I'm doing. OpenGl works fine in Bryce for me, but it also gets sluggish with a lot in the scene so I just use wireframe there too. There's nothing wrong with using wireframe but area rendering becomes sooo important for checking what you've done in the scene and I find that a bit of a hassle in Vue. Still learning though.