Hi everyone. I've got an idea for a monthly contest and I would like to hear what you guys think of it. Especially because I think 12 months of redoing pictures could get a bit boring. My idea is a bit the same thing but not entirely :) Here's the idea : I write a small, highy detailed text about a place (probably nothing that isn't included in Vue 4 will be included. That way, everyone can participate). You'll create an image, similar to the one in the text and post 'em. The winner image will be the one with the most details included, the one with the best composition, colours, etc. I don't know if there should be a public voting or what??? Please give me some feedback :) - Thomas

Great idea:-) IMO. Guitta

Pretty cool. Maybe we could try that next time. Even take a description of a place from a book.

The idea sounds good. As a learner of Vue ........i would welcome a challenge but feel that against such good users of Vue that i would not produce as good a Drw. Rather than one person defining the text (unfair advantage comes to mind ) if it could involve many persons choosing the datails would seem fairer to all as the contest would be more randomly based . Don,t know how this could be done but trying to think of a way LOL Also not sure if the definition for the Winner is right too. Great idea all the same :-) I would cherish the challenge Glenn

Glenn, generally it is the winner of the previous contest who chooses the theme. I think there is nothing unfair. But maybe you are not yet used to our "challenge system". Djeser, a book (or movie) theme is not a good one in my opinion, because everybody may not have read the book (seen the movie). And we don't want to limit the participation to only some users:-). Guitta

If its a new contest , maybe a new way of choosing would be an idea . I am not used to your challenge system ........Agreed :-) Thomas.s idea is great one though. Glenn

MY idea was that the one who wrote the text was NOT participating. That way it'll all be fair :) And it's still just a concept so thanks a lot for the feedback :) - Thomas

You mean an idea for the monthly challenge (not a contest in that case) ? The idea is interesting since now I think it's very very very hard to reproduce a photo. It seems the image reproduced will always be very bad looking compared to the photo. That was not my opinion last week, sorry to change so quickly. That's why Thomas idea seems to be interesting, we try to reproduce something, but we can not compare to something, so we will not be too sad - lol - Yves

Excactly YL. It it's incrdibly hard to recreate an image from a photo without feeling bad about it :) - Thomas

It would be an excellent test for someone's skills. And, people could learn a lot from it. But I have my own style, making pictures that I do not like, would be awful. So you must write down really good ideas for scenes. And a month is really little time for me. This is all just a hobby for me, I am a very busy student, and I don't think I am alone. So perhaps it should be 2 or 3 months. But the idea is great, if you try to think up really great looking scenes, it MUST be a succes

HI Peter. 2 or 3 months is a really long time. I don't think amny will take that muc htime to create an image. I'm a busy student too and I've got plenty of time. I still think idea would be really good :) What do you think? Thanks for the feedback. - Thomas

The idea is great, and perhaps I will not always have time to make a scene, but others will, you are right about that. Now I think about it, perhaps you should give us a larger variaty of ideas for scenes, it would be more challanging for us. They must all be good, but perhaps others can give you some ideas. The idea of describing a highly detailed place, is good, but leave some space for some artistic freedom. The idea has enourmous potention, and perhaps a new site, or a part of this site should be made for it if it turns out the way I hope it will.

For the last 2 years... every day I create 2 - 6 pics and write verse to 1 or 2 of them. The picture is my muse and supplies enough time for an interesting exposition of song verse, poem or prose. It think it is a very good self motivational exercise.

perterborn, we have got many ideas for our monthly challenge, also in another thread. http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=1038125 I will try to listen to everybody and for sure we will find ideas that pleases to most, if not every one:-). I will only keep that the winner of the previous challenge can choose the theme (or image, or story or whatever) for the next challenge. That's why all your feedback is precious. We will then decide together, at the end of January, what we think to be the best ideas. :-)Guitta

peterbron : I don't think that idea with different texts would be good. If one text was better than another it would only be chosen and people would take the easiest way :) And about artistic freedom. Of coursse there should be a lot of room for artistic freedom. The text should be written so that there are thousands of ways to do it :) - Thomas

I like Thomas's idea too. While reproducing a picture is very challenging and a great learning experience, Thomas's idea allows for more freedom of expression and use of imagination.

Charles

Regarding choosing a passage from a book, it is possible to extract a description of a place as long as you fully cite the reference, like if you were writing a paper or thesis. This way not everyone would have to have the book. The description could be posted (with proper references, of course). As far as film (or movie), I don't believe I said that at all. In fact, that would be just like reproducing a photo, like we are attempting (on my part, not very well) to do this month.

Yes, I understand Djeser. But as Thomas said, it should be a theme that can be followed by all Vue users. Generally in books are people:-). I know you did not mention movies, but I saw it come;-). Guitta

My idea was, that if someone has a great idea, he could send it to you, and you could decide if its good enough or not. With a proper description, some great passages from books could be very inspirating, good idea! Parts of movies could be harder, becouse it's more like reproducing an photo so I don't think that's a good idea. Letting the winner to choose a theme, is of course a great idea. (if someone doesn't win too much times!)

Well, I've read plenty of books that describe a scene...without people in them. So I disagree that a quote from a book could not be used. I also like the idea that we can debate and share ideas on different challenge themes, rather than have Gebe have to decide herself. Makes it more of a community, imvho.

Hou hou Djeser, please read what I said above in #14!! :-)Guitta

i like Thomass idea very much as well. And i think it doesn't matter really where the description of whatever comes from - from a book, written by someone him-herself, a song text. Whatever. But wiuldn't this be something which can be lifted to a higher level? A contest for more than Vue users? Wouldn't it be great to see how people with different tools or imaginations are working on one theme? So maybe there is a challenge for the whole community soon where we can propose soemthing like this. But nevertheless, i like this idea more than reproducing existing images. Even when i think that this reproducion things are very helpful to learn more about Vue as well. Maybe we can test that out in February? Why should we make a decision before having tested things out? We have enough time to do so. And there is no pressure to force things in one or the other direction. :-) Walther

Sorry Walther, but in monthly challenges, we keep it for Vue users only, as it is behaved in other forums too. It is possible (but not always) dor contests:-). Guitta

dor??? no "for". My finger...

Another problem with getting the contest to a higher level with more programs would be that none of them can do the same. I don't think there would be a scene that both Poser, Vue, Amorphium, Terragen etc. could do. :) Thanks again for the feedback. - Thomas

It seems to me that Thomases idea has went thru a 1000 permutations . The ideas for the contest ( is contest should a good word ) are going to the silly. You take the idea for a new contest on , you go for it . You do not suddenly quote rules and regs tha is not right . Who runs this forum .........the majority or the one ? Good idea ........i cannot fathom out the foremans thinking :-( I get the idea that all here are subverts to this system ? Speak your mind . I speak for a new Vue user who cannot even compete with some of you,s.

joechip, I want to explain to you the following: A challenge is not a contest. We have each month a challenge here at our Vue forum which is what it says: a challenge for Vue users in creating images with Vue. In the past years, there was only one contest per year. The difference between a challenge and a contest is, that for a contest there are prizes to win. I have organized 2 big contests last year, in September and October. It is a very long work to do a contest, because I have to write "around" to get the prizes, then to organize with the administrators and also to manage it. You will understand that I cannot do it more often. Without my little Renderosity job, I'm also doing a regular work. In fact I run the forum. But this doesn't mean that I decide every thing alone. Happy when users participate. I don't understand, why you seem a bit angry? Maybe you could tell me? I would appreciate:-) Guitta

If you like, you can see the 2 contests I have run last year. SEPTEMBER: http://www.renderosity.com/contest.ez?contest_id=100&folder_id=4 OCTOBER: http://www.renderosity.com/contest.ez?contest_id=116&folder_id=4 Here tou can see all the submitted images and the prizes and who won what. :-)Guitta

Anyone wants to run a contest you're welcome to get one going. I did one by myself here. It is a lot of work really. A lot goes into it really and then it has to be done exact and fair. Nobody is stopping anyone from doing his own contest. I did mine and it worked. Tesign won it. I think everyone had fun with it. I can see why Guitta is not volenteering to take on yet more work here and it's very understandable. She already spends her life here really. She already has a job here but she's not stopping anyone from setting up there own. If somebody wants to do one you just have to take that path and do it. Don't expect somebody else to do it for you. You obviously have some interest in it going here already and that is usually half the problem right there.

Also I would like to contribute to the idea (what it seems me very good) and I take a sentence of Thomas to develop it "The text should be written so that there are thousands of ways to do it". The text should be written in way very detailed and precise so that there are, yes, thousands of ways to do it but it has to perfectly be recognizable in every image. All of this to show (and therefore to reward) anymore the technique used that the subject (already select previously). In other words to give more importance to "AS TO MAKE" what to "WHAT TO MAKE". I hope to be does me to understand, I don't speak english very well. Ciao, Luigi.

Another thing : the text should not be too long or too complex, english is not so easy for some of us (like me) ;=) That's a challenge inside the challenge ;=) Yves

Google language services. Ya I know it's brutal but you get the idea of the document.

I see no one has asked if the "evil postwork" will be allowed. And if it IS used, will the entry be discrimminated against?

Until now, and since the monthly challenge exists, there were NEVER asked not to do postwork and there were never asked if the participants or the winner have done or not postwork. This was another thread. We will see what others think, if we should upload two images, one pure Vue and one postworked (if ever postworked..). That's up to the users:-)

I don't think so... I think Minor postwork should be allowed.. period. Then it's up to the voter to select the one without PW and stuff... - Thomas

MightyPete : be carefull with language translation ; could lead to some very very funny but unwanted results ;=) > Postwork ; beurrrrrrk, but it's a very personal opinion, and already discussed in some recent posts. With two different posts (with or without postwork) , as suggested by Guitta, we are safe, and all happy . See also the idea of Donhakman to avoid realism and to include postwork into Vue. Thats could lead to very important things in a near future, but mainly for surrealist artwork I suppose (who knows) ;=) Yves

busy busy.. can't read this all but I think this sounds MUCH better. Even the old idea could be cool but only if competitors could think the picture as sort of a wire-frame scetch. That way we would have seen more variety of stuff with artists' own ideas / touch.