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I thought I saw these in free stuff and in various artworks?

I have recently been working to try and keep an herb called Salvia divinorum legal.. and was contacted by a distributor in Holland. I asked them what other products were powerful, like Salvia.. and they said 'Amanita muscaria', which turns out to be those mushrooms we've always seen in fairy tales! Amazing that there are some things that're still legal. RA

Um, might be a good idea to mention those 'shrooms are a DEADLY POISON if you get the dosage a little off.

Those have "muscaradine". I've heard it makes your WHOLE BODY feel like it wants to vomit. The hallucinations are as vivid as they are, because of the extreme reaction to the toxins in them. You can get the same results from other poisons as well. Including alcohol. The hallucinatory mushroom a person should be seeking, if they were pre-disposed to seeking such mushrooms, would be of the "Psilocybe" variety. "Psilocybe Cyanescens" (which grow in the Great Northwest of the U.S.) have been discovered to be the most potent Psilocybin mushroom in the world. I've seen Slugs that had been chewing on these, and it makes the glow in the dark. (But that's only after I've eaten a couple of them 'Shrooms', myself. ~{8P) It's been unseasonably warm here in Oregon. And we've been getting a LOT of rain, too. I really ought to be taking more walks in the forest, now that I think about it...

I don't know anything about those mushrooms (they're also called 'fly agaric'.. but I don't think I'll be trying them? Has anyone tried Salvia divinorum? I haven't heard any negative health reports about it yet. Mushrooms in general are really risky business. I saw a report where a family was entertaining guests and the guests picked some mushrooms and made a meal for everyone. The people were very reluctant to eat wild mushrooms.. but the guests were very insistant that they had eaten this exact variety hundreds of times and were experts at mushroom selection. It turned out that a number of dinner guests died that evening, because what appeared to be a 'safe' mushroom in the guests home location, was a poisonous variety in the new location. Even plain old button mushrooms have a squeamish side. The FDA allows 6 large maggots per can of mushrooms, in the U.S. That revelation made me a devotee of the mushrooms in the produce isle!

Yeah?! You should see how many Aphids are allowed in a pound of Broccoli. Fat chance yer gonna see THOSE in there, eh?

MAGGOTS IN CANNED MUSHROOMS??!! Oh YUK!! Im so glad I use fresh ones from produce. As for those pics up there..ever wonder why they are as vivid and bright as they are?..if it is anything like some insects and reptiles, they are colored that way to warn off predators, telling them that they are poisonious..or otherwise bad news. ~J

Hmm... Just had another thought provoker.. If animals are 'supposedly' color blind...who/what are those colors warning??...

Not all animals are color blind.

Morning Glories are the ones for me! IPOMEA Heavenly Blue. Be careful! the package seeds are coated to make people sick if they eat them by accident. Once you have grown your first plants you will have enough seed to last you a lifetime. The magic number is 360 for those Heavenly Blue moments, watching the flowers grow in your mind. These flowers are excellent for colour blindness, you will see colour frequencies you never thought possible.

The mushrooms you're showing pix of were eaten by berserkers in olden times, if I am not mistaken. (vikings and goths alike,I think) You should be really careful with that stuff, it can fuck you permanently up, according to a doctor I know. As for worms in cans... EEEEEEEEEEEW !!! Here we don't even allow worms in tequila ! ~S

Thats what I think too Valandar, that not all animals are color blind, I was just refering to some of the scientists dont ask me which ones as I dont know, just heard it somewhere's ;) that say animals are color blind... After all.. why is it said that bulls will charge at the color red?...nope, I think they can see colors..at least to some degree..if not better than us. ~J:)

Many birds can see more colors than us. They can see the ultraviolet spectrum. Hawks use it to help them spot 'urine trails' of rodents. (the urine glows ultraviolet) I wonder if it will ever be possible to transplant an Ostrich eye to a human.. and allow us to have the incredible telescopic vision that birds have? Can you imagine going from blind.. to 'supervision' ?

Both those mushrooms can be found in abundance in Sweden during September, and Im pretty shure your right Spinner about the vikings eating them before battle. I hate Psilocybe Cyanescens because it looks so much like the sought after Cantharellus tubaeformis. Every year, many people get sick from mistaking the one for the other and using them for cooking, so I would strongly discourage anyone from eating the Psilocybe Cyanescens as they can permanently damage your liver end kidneys. Worms are disgusting, but less of a hazard to your body ...exception being the Tequila worm...damn those Sunday maggot headaches =P

Dez - de kryr i Oslomarka ;-) i think I just read somewhere that animals actually do see colours, but they have a lesser spectrum. "Going from blind to supervision" - now there's a great name for an image - let's see what people come up with ? ~S

They can see the ultraviolet spectrum. Hawks use it to help them spot 'urine trails' of rodents. (the urine glows ultraviolet) Whoa! Wouldnt that be a 'trip' ;) {BG} ~Jani :)

DeZ, I'd sure like you to point me to ANY information that uses the words "Psilocybe Cyanescens" refering to "liver and kidney damage" in the same sentence. (Besides you post here) Good luck.

The liver and the kidneys are the organs that deal with the toxins, and the major cell damaging occurs there. For Psilocybe Cyanescens, I must give admit that I don't know what Psilocybe does for dammage except neurotoxic and psychotropic intoxication, so I will refere to poisenouse shrooms, and to Orellanin and Amatoxin as the liver & kidney damaging toxins. So I stand corrected =)

OK, you scared me away from mushrooms. (I think shamanic-extracts sells morning glory too?) I'm sticking with Salvia divinorum. Besides, it's more powerful than any LSD I've ever done and I was around for Orange Sunshine and Brown Dot 25. I haven't even tried my 5X strength extract since the first day I got it, because the plain leaf I also ordered works well enough for me. With the 5X, the walls were actually melting. It makes me sad that it may not be legal anymore, if Congressman Baca gets his wish. (I'm growing it now, just in case) RA http://ykids.com

I made some Salvia inspired art tonight: FreeToys

I have just orderd myself some SAGE GODDESS EMERALD ESSENCE . It's been about ten years since my last ACID trip so I am looking forward to see what enhancment this stuff might give to my creative Life, Universe and Everything!!! Traveling certainly broadened this boys mind and I doubt I would have ever developed the sort of creative vision I have now without it. At least it makes me happy!

Best of luck on your voyage Brendan. Looking forward to hearing your observations. May I ask your age? regards, RA

An incorrigible 46'er 16-6-56 2am LONDON : If anyone wants dig into my chart? Cheers!

I've found myself wondering about Ayahuasca tea recently, but living in the UK there's not much of it about. I asked a mate to bring some back from S America but he wisely refused. (and being born 6am 6-6-68 I don't think anyone will want to dig too deeply into MY chart :| )

Never heard of Ayahuasca.. but I see that the place I linked to has a few varieties in both leaf and segments of vine. My Grandmother was also born on June 6th. We noticed the 'significance' of this after she contracted Altzheimer's.. and when we'd ask her if she was born at 6 AM, she'd just give us a spooky; "Yessss"

Recently, in a suburb of Chicago, a recovering drug addict who was staying with his mother, flew into a rage when she mentioned hospitalization to him. He then proceeded to stab her, and while she was still clinging to life, cut off her head and put it on the front porch along with the murder weapon.
Something to think about just in case you might be the next one.

so.. this psychopath killed his Mom because he wasn't taking the medication he undoubtedly would have gotten, had she been successful in getting him hospitalized? Wouldn't it be a case of 'just say yes' to drugs? Some people are nuts, whether they have drugs or not.

"...cut off her head and put it on the front porch along with the murder weapon" I guess he wasn't too concerned with committing the perfect crime, then.

Drug peddlars are all the same. It's not the drugs fault! It's the imperfect persons fault!

Must be natures way of culling the heard, eh?.

Beam me up Scotty! Theres no intelligent life here!

OK Einstein

If drugs were legal, wouldn't that eliminate the 1000's of innocent people who'll get mugged by a desperate junkie every night?

Wouldn't it eliminate junkies with Aids needing to sell their bodies and spreading the disease?

Wouldn't it eliminate having to constantly release child molesters and violent criminals, because the jails are full of drug offenders?

Wouldn't it unclog the courts, so they could concentrate on those child molesters and violent criminals?

Wouldn't it cut off the major source of funding for criminal organizations.

Drug use by kids hasn't increased in Countries that have legalized drugs.
What would be the worst effect of legalizing drugs?
Would it be that Junkies might just waste away?
Is that too big a price to pay to protect all the innocent people that are being victimized now?

Wouldn't that be an acceptable price that could be considered 'culling the herd' ?

Wouldn't all the potsmokers make better citizens if we weren't turning them into criminals by outlawing their way of life?

I don't have much hope for drugs being legalized, even if it could solve all those problems. I'll just be sad to see when Salvia divinorum is forbidden.. and we lose such a great gift.

Keep your shit to yourself. Don't try to mess up others lives such as you have done with yourself. Unfucking believable the influence/corruption drugs have on the weak minded. I hope you are'nt allowed around any children for society's sake.

Also, do the world a favor and have yourself spayed/neutered or both.

PUBLIC HELTH WARNING! Beware of Mr Angry! he always lashes out!

Ooooh, is this thread not locked yet? Welcomesite - some of what you say is true, but what would the pushers and the smugglers and the dealers and the rest of them do if class A drugs were legalised? They wouldn't suddenly become law abiding and get a 9 - 5 job, they'd turn to something else, something likely worse. And the junkies would still have to find the money from somewhere... Johnny_Q - had a bad experience with a drug in your youth, mate? There are 10,001 different illegal drugs, some worthless, some harmless. Legality of a particular drug rarely has any connection with that drugs ability to harm or corrupt or addict. You can't just group all illegal drugs and condemn them as devil's work, and everyone who does not share your view as evil or weak minded. So don't hold forth in a self righteous manner until you have some idea of what you want to say and can say it without being insulting.

Interesting point. What would all those bad guys do if we eliminated their most profitable business venture? I dont know? I'm not sure it's reason enough to keep funding them though? The drug trade has given them money that helps other crime grow. The mob became huge when we prohibited alcohol. As for the junkies, why not give it to them cheap, if they submit to counseling and whatever else we want to do to them. After all, you'll have them by the balls. Drugs are cheap. It's their illegality that is responsible for their value. Once we destroy the market by giving it away cheap, there would be much less incentive even on the level of the farmer, to continue the culture.

Attached Link: http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/heroin/opiwar1.htm

I wonder if there would be that many kids taking up a drug habit if there was not the cache of daringness and excitement connected to doing something illegal? Coupled with that there is the question of the huge investment that pushers make in giving kids stuff free to get them hooked?, this only happens because of the artificially high price of these products, take that away and there is no profitable return on ensnarement and consequently much lower numbers in indiscriminate usage. Alcohol is relatively cheap but not everyone is an alcoholic. It is certain that the *Pushers* would move on to something else. It is certain that the levels of crime related to using would drop. The British Government in the 19thC created a world-wide market for Opium by using armed force. Read about the *Opium Wars* and tell me if the Government should give China Compensation and the rest of the world at that! for creating the first *Drug Cartels* which have blossomed ever since? The USA crushed the coffee markets of South America and wonder why farmers grow other stuff. What should we do about that? I did a quick search on the Royal Horticultural Society web site and found the plant Salvia divinorum freely available. If someone decides I cant grow it and therefore pushes the price of any supply through the roof, then they should think about the consequences, not me.

"weak minds" do not advocate the use of Salvia divinorum. A weak mind would not be able to overcome the fear they would feel when expanding their mind through a journey. We only use maybe 5% of our brain. Ever wonder what else we might be capable of, if we could only unleash that power? There might be some common ground here. I.. and many users of Salvia divinorum, support the creation of a law that would make this herb illegal for those under the age of 18.

Attached Link: http://www.druglibrary.org/resolution/index.htm

Join the debate. It's the difference between sounding off and making your voice heard.

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Please take a moment to reflect over this link...

There are always going to be self destructive, suicidal people. Making things illegal doesn't stop them. Young people should read that though and see how behavior that you might think is cool, is actually the actions of an asshole.

The guy misused the drugs the drugs did not misuse him. what is the point of the link? The mentality behind his experience is more akin to the TV program Jackass than any informed use of any mind altering substance be it Dope, LSD, Beer or caffeine. It is very sad that he has died so young. All over the globe today youngsters of his age will die for all sorts of reasons and in many cases they won't have had a choice about the way it was achieved. In what way is this a special case and in what way are we to reflect on it? Sincerly!

Not even I am so naive that I thought the link would produce a flash of lightning from the sky that would change anyones perception on drugs, not in the slightest. The way that you reflect on the link is yours, and yours alone....not mine to decide. That was the point... Cheers! Peter C.

Hmmm.. someone has an illogical perception of 'drugs', despite all the evidence? Did you ever suspect that it might be you? They're always the last to know

You may be the sort of person that gets struck by lightening DeZ? and good for you! but some of us here have been safely taking drugs for more years than that twits life amounted to. Either he had some congenital self-destruct button or his family are not telling the whole story. Mawkish sentimentality is not a reasonable substitute for scientific fact. The fact that so many kids world wide are on a rollercoaster ride to oblivion is more to do with the suffocating hypocrisy of their indigenous societies than the intrinsic properties of any cited drug, illicit or otherwise. Be careful you don't ride that moral high horse or yours too hard! you might get a splinter in your tight arse that festers you into an early but self righteous grave. Sincerely!

WOW, never thought psychotropic intoxications would enlighten a person to that level. Im most certainly persuing the wrong hobby here....

"you might get a splinter in your tight arse that festers you into an early but self righteous grave" Let me guess....you take amylnitrate to oppose that effect and live longer ;) SINCEARLY!

There you go DeZ! the first blinkering signs of recognition that you might not have a grip on what the reality of the subject is. Try not to set out on a crusade based on your own sentimental needs to feel sorry for the ones that slip through the net of life. I doubt that you would have lifted a finger to help him? after all he was a Drug user! Sincerely! (correct spelling).

"needs to feel sorry for the ones that slip through the net of life" No, I petty those that need to escape it Sincerely! (correct spelling). <--- cut n paste (so that I would get it right, THANK YOU!)

"No, I petty those that need to escape it" Try cutting and pasting "petty"! till you get it right.

Pity.....I think Websters has an opening position that would suit you well. I'll send you a spelling test in Swedish an see how well you can do with that. BTW, nice retort!

Thank you Dez. If I for one moment though that you were at a linguistic disadvantage I would never have been so flippant. I never guessed! If I admit to one arrogance? it is the common one that I assume everyone's first language is English. I wish you a good night ( 2:51am here) and agree to disagree with no malice. Best wishes. brendan.

Ok, truce Brendan, no malice taken =) It's 04:01 here in Stockholm, so good night and take care. Cheers! Peter C.