Stonewalling? Don't you think you're being a little impatient? You only mentioned the problem on here yesterday. Give them some reasonable time to examine the problem before you start shouting the odds. BTW, I work in customer services, and in law - UK law, at least - 28 days is considered a "reasonable time" to examine and rectify a fault.

A second post? Okay you obviously want our attention so..... Somehow you shifted the Left collar. Tech support cannot help you because the you are the only one experiencing this. Just reinstall it. Then all should be fine with the world. Anton daz3d.com

No it is not fine. I reinstalled it and the thing remains exactly the same. And I am not the only one with this, because the third image was sent in by someone else. I bought a product from DAZ on the premise that they are professionals, guaranteeing, that their product will work within the program it is supposed to be used in: Poser4. And it doesn't: for me, the Vicky 3 product is completely useless. So I was very mistaken about DAZ professionalism. Why should I wait, if I know tech support is ignoring me and does not plan to do anything about the mess. I would have waited, if I had gotten some reply that they were working on it. Instead: dead silence. I pretty much know what to think, when that happens! I will post this on every internet forum I can think of, along with the pictures to prove it, so other people can make up their minds if they want to run the risk to be cheated by DAZ or not. I guess there is something with my particular Poser4 version, that messes up the mesh. DAZ obviously doesn't give a shit, as long as it works some of the time with some of their customers. So people have the right to know that buying Vicky 3 is like russian roulette. If your particular Poser program doesn't like it, you're out of luck and left to fend for yourself, because you paid your money, so who cares. Disgusting attitude, this!

Yup, have had the same terrible results reported here when trying to turn individual dials.

Is that Poser5 you are using, lululee? In your picture both breasts are sliced ... The model I'm stuck with only has deformation on the left side. But it is a particularly nasty one, caused by a movement of the left collar, for which I have no visible dial! I can't have shifted the left collar as the DAZ individual Anton says I did, because there are no dials for me to do that! So I can't correct anything either: it is maddening :-( At least one other person seems to be in exactly the same position as myself, judging from the picture he sent in (the one with the three models, clothed) That is ONE PERSON TOO MANY for DAZ to say that the problem is only mine. What are the odds for such a coincidence to happen ??? Anyway, all suggestions to solve this mess are very welcome, since it very much looks like we're on our own. I will try to sort the mess as much as possible using morph dials as you suggested.

The last one is done in Poser 4. I can't see any slicing on that one. I had to do a "restore figure" to wipe out the slices. Then I only used the breast dials on the "Body" This is (breast 8)I can't touch the individual chest or Left, right collar dials or the slices re occur.

On the off-chance that somehow the default pose has become corrupted have you tried this? In the Edit menu/Restore/Figure Regards STORM

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The images I posted ARE V3 with the upgrade Not V2.

well I've been having trouble with her upper lip ... but the morphs flatten out the wonky vertices. So I'm not too worried. Phoenixblue Give the guys at DAZ a coupla days to sort stuff out, okay? we make them work their butts off, as it is.

I tried "restore figure" many times. Nothing. I tried the morph editor "zero figure". Nothing. I tried launching the program with an empty scene, thinking there may be a crosstalk problem with the Poser dork, even after the dork is replaced by the V3 figure. Nothing. I checked the dials. Nothing wrong with them of course: they are either at zero or at 100 percent, as they should be. I tried loading all body morphs. Nothing. I just now tried correcting the deformity with breast morphs: it only gets uglier, as was to be expected. I checked the original obj. file by importing it into Poser: the obj. is flawless -- no deformation there. I tried deleting the rsr file in "geometries". Poser builds another one, and then gives me the same deformed model. I tried reinstalling. Nothing. I went to see if there is any clue in the CR2 file, but of course that bugger is huge, and a non-programmer is completely at a loss whan looking at all that incomprehensible data. I have Poser4 with all the patches, and I have never had any problem with it, apart from a texture on a Renderosity product, that would not load properly because the product was developped for Poser Pro: the vendor fixed that for me, by the way. So I have never had any problem with a deformed mesh on a product, and I have bought quite a number of products over the years.

With the left collar selected use the hot key Ctrl + E to clear the morph settings.

This can be done even if the dials can't be accessed.

I would be happy to wait for DAZ if only I would know they are taking my complaint seriously.

I just did a CTRL + E with the left collar selected, as you said, Jeff. No change. The left arm moved a bit, but the deformity remains. I tried CTRL + E on other surrounding parts, with no result.

What would happen if Daz just gave you an entirely new V3? Do you think that would solve the problem. Maybe the entire file is corrupt and you need a totally new one.

Ok, guys, I just got word from DAZ. "I just spoke with Ryan and two of our best designers are looking at the issue right now." Right :-) That is all I wanted, really: they are working on it. I don't mind if it takes a couple of days or so; V3 is a very complex model; I'm aware of that. I'll keep you guys posted on this, and thanks a bunch for the feedback so far! You are wonderful!

phoenixblue, what settings are you using on all dials? I would like to try and recreate what is happening with your model to see if maybe we can all figure out what is going on, but without knowing exactly what morphs and what settings it's pretty tough. :) Pendy

I am really glad that Daz is listening to you and addressing this problem. It is very rewarding to be investors in a company that looks after it's clients. Since we constantly buy their products I consider us to be investors and clients. Anyway, thanks for honouring our trust!!!

No settings at all, Pendy. The pics you are seeing there, are of V3 straight out of the library, with no morphs loaded, no poses applied, and all dials left untouched. On the Left Collar, my dials read JCMlShldrdown 0,00 JCMICollarBend 0,00 Taper 0 Scale 100 Xscale 100 Yscale 100 Zscale 100 Twist 0 Front-Back 0 Up-Down 0

hrmmmm..mine straight out of the box with Poser non propak 4.03 is fine.. But at least this way we can rule out not matching up the body dials and the partial body dials as the cause for this...which will cause this for sure...I've done that myself and when I matched everything it went away. So we have V3 out of the box, with both service paks applied in Poser4 4.03...and for some reason on your system the slicing is occuring. Makes me wonder what your system has in common with those others that are showing this problem also... I don't mean to repeat myself, I'm just trying to get this all straight so we all know what exactly you are talking about :) Glad to see Daz responded to you, I figured they would, their customer service is normally very friendly and curteous towards their customers. I can't wait to hear what they find :) Pendy

Did you try dialing back(negative) the morph for that collar? I too get the same without using the chest or body dial. If the OBJ is fine, and the dials are all zero, a simple CR2 edit or swap should be sufficient. How does the V3 blank look, straight from the library? Mark

Hi In closely examining your posted wireframe it looks like the front section of the left breast is twisted a few degrees from its base. Notice that all the lines match on the right breast. I dont have that problem in P4.03 Mac with the V3 upgrade from V2. With or without the service pak. Eric

Weird barb, I just tried mine and I don't get any breast distortion at all, it looks and renders fine.

hmm. -Well the issue isn't with the mesh as one can see if they import it. So it has to be a cr2 issue moving the lCollar when it is loaded. I am sure they will find out why this happened to you. Being frustrated is fine, but jabs and overkill isn't neccesary. It does make it hard to help people when they are hostile. :) Please don't take my lack of smiley's and stuff for not caring. My typing style isn't very lengthy. You van always return her if you want. Hang in there, Anton Daz3d.com

Some of these deformities are the result of going too far with the joints and causing the JCM's to get into extremes. One should not go too far in any direction with the collars, just a little bit for accent then use the shoulders to manipulate the position of the arms. -WTB

About the slicing. I was able to produce this effect by turning a morph dial on the Collar (in this case "Buxom") What happens is that "Buxom", like many of the breast morphs, are spread across two regions...namely the chest and the collar in question. So, in order to undu the slicing effect, you must do one of two things: Either A. Stop using the Collar morphs and rely on the fully body morphs of the same name, as these will turn on all corresponding morphs on the body B. Turn on the matching Chest Morph and the same morph on the other collar. This should balance everything out. I'll bet this is the problem. -WTB

yupp - right - there seems to be a problem with it ... But - well - the people at DAZ are working on it - so I'll just wait ... I'm sure they'll sort out the problem :o)

right.. you have to use the matching chest morphs too or you get a seam.

Well - but, :-) if you use the body setting and not the localized setting, one would think this wouldn't be an issue?

I have notice some breast mishaps, but I thought it was just me and I corrected it with post. It doesn't happen to me all the time.????

He's Baaaack! Here we go again... This banning stuff sure doesn't last long. You just change your name and you get another ticket. Pinto

So is there more than 1 update? I got the first, is there a second? I can't tell by the Daz info. I found a lot of parts do that if you don't match the connecting body parts. Just try scaling one of the thighs, you will see what I mean. You will need to do both thighs and hip the same. As for the breasts, I never really noticed, I tend to use the fbm then adjust after with gravity crease and so on, I don't get those problems. V3 is the most complex model I have, next to Natalia3. It dosen't suprise me if there might be the odd flaw, but I have faith that Daz will come through. They allways have, so why would it be different now. Tashar 59

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Yes, that is a funny one ;-) Hey, I am perfectly aware that posing is an art. But my problem is different, right? Because I never got to pose my V3 in the first place. It must have something to do with my Poser version. DAZ tech support just asked me about that, but the program doesn't even mention the version. When I click on "help" and then "about Poser", it gives me a load of info on who made what, but no program version. Just my serial number. I guess my Poser 4 is prehistorical, then. (Yes, I installed the patches) Even so, I never encountered any such situations with it before. I'll wait till DAZ comes up with something. I'd hate to return her, because V3 is gorgeous apart from this problem, but I'm glad I've got that option as a last resort. Thanks Anton.

There was a similar problem with one of the beta versions but noone should have those. Next time you speak to Ryan suggest sending him your cr2 without morphs.

I think you may actually have a problem. It was some of the other examples that had me snickering. I mean, the sample I provided includes exactly what somebody described. In my case, I took Michael's l_collar and bent it down -60 degrees. The result is a shoulder inside the chest cavity. That should make a breast look a little strange. I think some people may not realize that the chest region on all Mil figures is made up of three parts -- l_collar, chest and r_collar. If a morph is radical enough, all three parts must work together or strange results are assured. That's why full and partial body morphs are there when you select the body and other groups. They are dials that control more than one group at a time, so morphs across multiple groups match. With all Mil figures, the underside of the breast is part of the chest group, not the collar groups. Meaning, if you grab just the l_collar and blow up a breast with the breasts8 morph, the mesh will rip where the l_collar meets the chest, because the chest does not also have the breasts8 morph applied. What you have going on there looks a little different, based on what you're saying. DAZ may need to see a post-injection cr2 file. Are you getting the same problem with v3 blank, or just injected v3? And about your Poser About Window -- Under the "4" in "Poser 4," you should see your name, and below that, your version number, beginning with a "V." It isn't there?

Ok, I solved it! :-) I did install patches on my old Poser4 program, but the latest patch, installed some time ago, was directly from the person who originally programmed the product, and at the time, he claimed on his website, that it was the latest and final patch. I should have followed up developments at the Metacreations site instead! I downloaded the patch from Metacreations, and my version number now reads V 4.0.3.126 Before that, the version number wasn't even there. And V3 is now FIXED! :-) Sorry for the trouble! There is at least one user here, who doesn't have that patch either, the one from the three girl pic, so I'm glad I'm not alone, looking stupid ;-) Anyone experiencing left collar deformation on V3 PRIOR to any posing, upgrade to V 4.0.3.126 The upgrade is free, and available at www.curiouslabs.com