Recently there has been a rash of cranky attitudes in this forum. Im NOT going to link to, or point fingers at anyone But ya wanna know something? I'd take the bantering over "dead" or "dull" any day.

I am a Photoshop Professional - i make my living off the program every day, i won't say i'm an "expert" for two reasons: 1. i don't work for Adobe in developing the program and 2. with each upgrade i'm back learning just like a 6 month user.

When someone post a question to this forum and is looking for an answer whether it is "technical" or "opinion", i try to respond in a way that will be helpful in learning. To give an answer to a question such as, "How do i set the pen controls in version 7? They're not in the same place as my version 5? What gives??"

If i wanted to be "technically" correct, i'd say "See pages 172-185 of the Adobe Photoshop 7.0 User Guide!!!" Yes, technically correct, but less than pleasant and not at all helpful in learning...

If i answered like this "Pen controls, such as opacity, size, and flow, are in the Brushes palette in PS7.0. To set pen controls, open the Brushes palette, select a preset brush, and then choose Pen Pressure, Pen Tilt, or Stylus Wheel from the Control pop-up menu under the option you want to modify. " and maybe tossed in a screencapture too, it would be far more helpful, yet would be pretty close to what "Adobe" would tell you.

I dont want to answer EVERY question because I dont know them all. I would rather get ideas and solutions as well as "opinions" from other members because "we ALL know" there are at least a half dozen ways to accomplish any ONE task in PS. If someone starts to veer off and jokes around with another forum member who responded to the post, so what! You should see me in corporate meetings!! You can get a lot of help and valuable information from getting to know someone and not expect a "Dragnet" approach to an answer... (Just the FACTS Mam). As long as a member does not cross the line and violates the TOS, I dont give a rip if he/she goes a little off course. These arent Final Exams fer cryn out loud!

If everyone is afraid to post a question or refuses to because each answer does not bear a valid solution, then I may as well toss my mod beanie back in the pile and go hang out in the 2D forum.

Thank for staying with me this far,

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retrocity

I would like to stray off topic now to start a separate discussion... a peanut is neither a pea nor a nut, discuss. ry

Thank you for the insight Slynky, infact you are not straying off topic at all. You see there are two types of people that visit this forum (using your example):

Peas and Nuts.

Both are quite different in every aspect. The "peas" are somewhat fresh and green when it comes to the capabilities of Photoshop. The "nuts" on the otherhand are somewhat salty and are often roasted. It's the differences that when blended together gives this forum it's unique flavour!!! (and makes wicked Peanut Butter!!)

Further discussion anyone??

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retrocity

Salty and roasted, here.

and let us not forget "roasting" too ;)

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retrocity

..."there were these two nuts walking in a park, on was a salted!!"

Are you saying I'm a roastee or a roaster?

*actually it's a sad state that everyone is so on edge in the forums. It seems to have become a place to vent frustrations rather than to be helpful, in part because it is easy to misunderstand or be misunderstood when reading text on the screen. I'm guilty of poking the ants' nest occasionally, but Im striving to be a little more constructive these days. I don't want to tell you how to do your job, but I think you should start deleting the nasty messages, even if that goes against the kind of mod you want to be. But I'll fall short of calling your Sir, if ya don't mind ;)

Grim, lately you've been getting roasted over open coals...

I will take in consideration the "deleting" of posts that start to get nasty. I hope i never have to "lock" a thread ;) but i'm sure that's inevitable... It's just i hate to censor opinions as long as they don't cross the TOS. Unfortunatly, leaving some posts lead to "flare-ups" after the thread has long cooled.

BTW, you can call me Sir, my kids do ;)

later
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retrocity

I'm an asshole-io-io, grunt, grunt grunt, grunt grunt, grunt grunt...

Search for "truffles" later ;)

Speaking of photoshop.... When's poser 5 coming out for Macintosh?

How dare you soil our forum with mention of that most odious of applications! ;)

;)
retrocity

just kidding guys

please don't start a "flamewar" over programs!!!!

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retrocity

grins

Looks like P5 with all the improvements. No wonder the Poseurs need so many hair-painting tutorials ;-)

just dies laughing No wonder I love reading the threads here. ;) You guys are awesome.

Dear Sirs. As a regular reader of the London Times, I am to writing to fully support Retrocity here. I am also a Photoshop pro, and always willing to help Newbies, pros and even Poser users. I think it unfair for the semi-proficient majority on here to roll their eyes in disgust when someone asks "How do I save a JPEG"? And while I'm on a gripe, people like Slynky etc - If you haven't actually got something constructive to say, please put a sock in it. I don't like having to wade through pages of detrius to find useful titbits of information. If you want to whine on about how good Amiga Deluxe Paint is or whatever, do it in the chatroom; thats what it's there for. Signed P.Knutt (Colonel)(Ret'd)(Mrs.)

"Recently there has been a rash of cranky attitudes in this forum." What makes u think there'd be any useful information here? Retrocity just started this thread to make a point, and he made it. The way this forum seems to work is that someone asks a question, and they will be answered within about the third post. After that there will just be useless junk, that we post for our own amusement. This is where u stop reading. That way u don't have to read all this stuff.

LOL @ post #12 Reminds me of a "This is your brain, this is your brain on (insert word of choice here)" commercial. If you want to see diversity in action, visit the Rhino (Ooop, can I say that in here?) Forum. Example, someone will post a WIP (Work-In-Progress for those Abbreviately challenged) and 3-5 other users post their like images in that persons thread. Not to say 'hey my pic is better than yours' but to "SHARE" Thoughts and Ideas. I think it is a great way to learn and to help others, if possible, with their "what the hell do I do now?" questions. TMG

Boxx - the forum is meant to be open and friendly. Threads often go off topic from time to time, but that is the nature of the forum and I don't believe many other members here are particularity bothered by it. Usually a question is answered within the first 3 replies, so any form of discussion regardless of relevance to the original post (provided is not of a flamatory nature) thereafter is not necessarily constructive but is welcome all the same. But hey, you read the London Times, so enough said.

hey.... there's an amiga paint deluxe and nobody told me??!!

Grim, nobody who calls it the 'London Times' reads it. It's called 'The Times'.

I said "The London Times" because most non-Brits wouldn't understand that I was talking about a newspaper now owned by an Australian megalomaniac. (PS: Try looking up the word "irony")

Oh, relax Boxx, I was kidding. Did you read the title of the thread? :-)

Not to be confused with the New York Times...

me, i read the "National Inquirer" cuz it's the only rag that's NOT influenced by Govermental opinion, and sides' "inquir'n" minds wanna know!!!

but then again there are those "babes" on page 9 of the SUN !!!!

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retrocity

It's Page 3 ackcherlee. ;o)

What da' i know, all the pages were STUCK...