got a letter from darrly wise.. he states he will be posting some news about CL Wensday, and he mention something about Poser 5 for the Mac OSX. all i have to say is CL going to have to really convince us Mac users that its worth it. we aren't as easy sells as PC users are.

I hope you are right...I am one of the many and one of the few too...

From all the shouting by Mac users when Poser 5 was first released, I imagine most Mac users would also have purchased if there had been a simultaneous Mac version.

Mac and PCs are different. It's possible that whatever problems the Macs have (assuming, of course, that as with most software P5.0 has at least a few bugs) will be different from the ones the PCs had. As a further thought, Macs tend to be more uniform - less configurations and variations and all that stuff. Therefore there may be far fewer bugs.

Sure we shouted when we didn't get it on release, but that turned out to be a good thing. I'm still gonna stick it out for Studio though. You guys tell me how it is :)

Ah. Glad to see that the opportunity to perceptivly superioritize didn't completely slip past EVERYONE.

"perceptivly superioritize" Is that a Bushism?

Although imperfections were expected on a new full release, the delivered product (Poser 5) was a sorry sight indeed and would expect that it would be as dismal on a Mac as a PC as these were bad integration and coding issues, not platform issues. I agree with Spit. Your smugness belies an elitist view about "PC users" only due to the fact that the Mac version was not released simultaneously, thus allowing for your 20/20 hindsight vision to corral us all into a "fodder for the Big Brother Gates Society". I, for one, was using Amiga computers before basically being forced into the Wintel world. And you didn't see me castigating PC or Mac users. And you may ask, "Well, duh, why didn't you get a Mac?". Well, duh, Macs were very expensive and not very useful for someone working in an industry that used Wintel systems (business computer programming and engineering). And, FYI, until very recently, I also owned a Mac (PowerMac G4 933MHz w/Superdrive and FPD 17" Studio Display). If CL had released a P5 for the Mac, I would have purchased that also. Purchasing software isn't different for Mac users than for PC users. You propose a false dichotomy with nothing to back it up but a hypothetical platitude. You know where you can shove that platitude... ;0) BYS

I think I just missed something... Who's being smug or elitist?

Oh pffffffffttttttttt... How many versions of Windoze are there now? One of the biggest problems with any PC software is getting it to work with all of the various NT, ME, 2000, Office, 98, 95, ad nauseum, versions of the OS. Mac has two: 9 and X, and it seems unlikely P5 will support 9. That leaves just one OS to configure to, which I bet is far easier than all of Bill's many shills.

heh Like Steve jobs is so great... The man only has black turtlenecks in his wardrobe :p Plus he's a bigger cheat than gates (probably makes him smarter) Like How he screwed Woz out of his fair share of the Profits on the Atari games they worked on :p Damn I miss my Amiga :p

BTW It's OS 10 how can you say 10 is less than the 7 or so Windows versions :p (Not counting NT)

Bobasaur, see first message, re: "all i have to say is CL going to have to really convince us Mac users that its worth it. we aren't as easy sells as PC users are." Just herd all Wintel users into a single category and color us, well, stupid? That's elitist. I'm not a follower, not stupid, and probably have been using a computer since he was sucking his thumb. :) Had the Mac version been released at the same time as the Windows version, the Mac users would have: A: Flown to Curious Labs to see the program work on a Mac prior to purchase. B: Waited several months before any of them purchased to see how the PC version faired (which would make no sense, really). C: Purchased it just like any normal human being with an interest in new features would. BYS

And, to JoeyAristophanes. Yes, there are my versions of Windows. There are many versions of MacOS (hmmm, how did they get to OS10 anyhoo?). WinXP Home is an upgrade to WinME (yuch!) which is an upgrade to Win98SE which is an upgrade to Win98 which is an upgrade Win95 which is an upgrade to Win3.1, dah du-dah du-dah. WinXP Pro is an upgrade to Win2000 Pro which is an upgrade to WinNT 4.1 which is an upgrade to WinNT 3.5, etc. Office isn't a version of Windows OS. So, pffffffffffffttt on you... ;0) BYS

OK, I see it now. I thought maybe I'd accidentally said something that came across snotty.

Nope, nothing of the sort. Actually, what you say is mostly true. My only disagreement is that many of the "new features", i.e. Rooms and Firefly, in Poser 5 caused problems because they were not integrated well into the base code, causing major crashes or odd behavior. This would definitely transfer over to Mac or any other system for that matter. I love MacOS 10 (and the underlying BSD) and, if it weren't for financial woes, would still have my Mac. I do plan on getting another in the future; hopefully after Apple stops releasing faster systems every other month. ;0) They need a system upgrade program so that your six month old computer can be reasonably upgraded for a newer one. But that's probably an issue for all computer users (?). BYS

These bits always seem to come along whenever I am considering a Pc and going dual-platform in-house. Problem with this one is Ive actually put in the order and its coming next week. Wednesdays announcement will likely be the earth-shattering news that Curious Labs are WORKING ON p5 for OSX, and here was us thinking DAZ3D was vapour. (The second computer will be a 2Gb AMD, I wont be putting P5 on it)

So will they be fixing the bugs for this one? Will Windows users get the bug fix? Will I win the Lottery this week?

I reckon Poser5 for the Mac (if they're working on it at all) will be at least 90% less bugged than the Windows version as they've had longer to work on it & iron out the bugs.

Sr-3 is being compiled right now according to one person from CL(It is another thread)Steve and Larry have been Hired back as consultants and so once again we all wait in anticipation hoping that the FIX is here....Shall we wait and see...And sure I wish I had a Mac too and I wish I could win the Lottery too,BUT...What I really want is a working copy of Poser5...And yes you Mac users can Thanks us PC users because if Most of the programs came out first for the Mac instead of the PC we would be saying just the same things you guys are....Question folks...How come PC Programs come out first instead of the MAC?

Mac programs used to come out first, but when there's such a market share difference between Mac and Wintel sales, you have to write for the market. It used to be that Macs were more powerful than PC's (the old DOS limitations), but now with the NT based Windows op systems, open GL (which doesn't apply to Poser), and cheap memory, PCs are as powerful, if not more powerful than the Macs. Most graphics software was written for the Mac first, since the graphics/rendering engines on them was so superior. Not anymore though. I'd love to have a Mac, but they cost too much for me to have one as a toy. And it'd have to be just a toy, since 99% of the contracts for business programming are for PC based systems. One piece of advice to Mac users: wait 2 weeks after the release of P5 on the Mac to buy it. Most of the bugs will show up in the first 2 weeks, and you can decide then whether or not you want to live with them. Remember CL has a no returns policy.

Thanks Sarge! I was thinking of going ahead and getting the $99 PC version of P5 at Amazon but now I'm gonna wait to see if CL will finally decide if P5 is going to be cross-platform. For what it's worth, I don't think much of Bill or Steve ;-)

pffft! I'm holding out for the Linux version (Linux x86 or Linux PPC, either/or... I can run my fave OS on either hardware platform :) ) /P

I don't know enough about programming to know the difference between integrating and coding issues vs. platform issues. I do know that when I create interactive CD, it's a lot easier testing them on Macs than PCs. I also had the VP of IT at the company I used to work for told me that Windows, because of it's many variations, was hard to program for. Until I finish the animation I've been working on since last March, I'm not changing anything major on my computer. I'm still using OS 9, and QuickTime 5. I'm also using LW 6.5. If the Mac version of P5 had come out, I would have wanted it but probably held off at the very minimum until the LW plug-in was available. I don't blame CL for putting the PC version out first - that's survival.

Foleypro, I don't remember the thread saying anything about SR3 being compiled, just that "something" was being compiled. CL is only proving to everyone that customer service is being shoved aside for a few extra bucks. If they truly gave a rat's ass, they would have concentrated on fixing the PC version to prevent all the bad publicity. But by a business view, the MAC version will make more money than a fix for something that was already purchased. I'm hoping I am wrong, but I doubt we will see a fix for any of P5's issues for a long time. CL has only proven that they care nothing for their customers.

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Errr I mean link is above and I think it is #8 where the reference to SR-3 is....

Yup, that's the one. SR3 in the works, his machine is compiling poser. I don't want to argue, I don't like being pessimistic, but...I would like to hear "compiling SR3".

Actually so would I...He could be Compiling Mac Version?

Hehehe...I was not compiling the Mac version, but the Mac version will build from the same source tree I am using now for fixing bugs.

stewer, can you drop any hints as to what's being addressed in SR3? Have you plugged the memory leaks yet?

Actually if you read his words above he still does not admit to working on SR-3...Hahahahahahaha....oooofffdaaa...

I thought that a fair proportion of the PC-blues was that security thingie. Since it was eliminated, shouldn't that alone mean that P5 for the Mac will be less buggy? Not having P5 available for the Mac made me turn to C4D for better rendering. So I guess I learned a lot, because of the delay. But I still want P5...oh, well....

Stewer, if in fact SR3 is near completion, and of course will fix the hair frizz, walk designer, AVI output, lock-ups, and (crossing fingers)add plugin support for import into other apps... ...I will stop complaining and may even go as far as to say I will give you a big sloppy kiss on the cheek(which one will depend on how many issues are resolved)!!!

iamonk, Stewer might feel trepidation rather than a rosy glow by the idea of a big sloppy kiss, although his computer probably wouldn't object to a bit of TLC! ;^) Carolly

hmmm, if DAZ Studio makes it out first (for free) would you put money into the DAZ Studio add-ons or buy P5 for Mac or both? If Poser5 for Mac is less than $99 I might get it. If it is higher I will probably wait. And I think it will be higher than $99!

The new version of Poser should ideally have some sort of support for graphics cards, dual processors, and the new 64-bit Intel 970 thingies. (This may have already happened, but its now called DAZ3D) Incidentally, if these new INtell chips become the successful bidder, then, what are we going to call out Macs? .

Don't forget thought, the Daz Studio 1st release will be a renderer only. As far as I can tell, you won't be able to pose your models in it. And the P5 face room is quite intriguing - pokeydots has done some real neat stuff with it. If P5 for the Mac comes out and has LW support, I'll still probably get it after my animation is finally done.

ldynghtwng, The security protection was not the cause of the P5 problems - it just made the P5 problems into system problems. Purpose of such devices is to protect software from being reverse engineered as easily. So any unusal behaviour results in instant system reboot - as a deterant / inconvenience. Problem was that the Loser5 application was doing things to itself, which triggered the security code to construe the user was up to no good and rebooted the system. But Loser5 continues to do things to itself - less than it did at initial release, but still more than any other released application I've seen since the birth of the IBM PC - which causes problems within Loser5 itself, only difference is that it keeps its problems to itself now, and doesn't crash (on NT derived systems) or take the system down with it. The REAL Loser5 problem though is that it's tooooo sloooow, and runs out of usable figure capacity waaaay tooo soon. All related to memory management without a doubt. Hopefully a revised memory management solution to support OSX will mean the same thing for the WinTel version.... At least that's my hope. And Stefan said they will still share the same code base - but the question is how much of, and how completely.

Hey Jer- sorry, the correct price from amazon is $149. Thought the $50 rebate applied to the $149 but it's actually a rebate from $199. Bob - If I'm reading the posts right sounds like there's going to be a P5 "ProPack" that will have the LW/3DS/C3D plugs (or something like that). This may have changed but originally the plugs were scheduled for realease after the Mac version.

That's also what I've heard. I know the PC side is still waiting for them but "the Curious Labs Team" has reaffirmed that they were still in the works for both platforms.

I don't think you have to worry about intel in a mac, I saw a post on slashdot recently about new PPC chips, looking good at around 2Ghz I think, made by IBM. later jb

(and for my picketer?)

Remember, do NOT pre-order Poser 5 for the Mac! Wait until CL puts it on sale (about two months later) or until Amazon.com has it for sale at $99.99 (about 6 months later). Wait until ALL of the bugs are worked out... at least SR2 or higher.