From the Beating a dead torus dept: All in all I don't think that this is a great way to make this if don't need a closed frame. But to get one without distortion make sure your profile shape is grouped and centered before applying the torus preset. Don't set any envelope options.Create a cross section at each of the points on the path before converting them. It looks good then, but I can't find a way to open the closed path so that you wouldn't need to go into the vm for further editing. It seemed like I was able to do this before in rds but I don't model much in Carrara any more. It is easy to select the open edges in the vm and fill the polygons. You still have the mapping problems that come with using the vm, so it's a wash. mdc