Hi All First everybody take a deep breath and oogle Billy-t's Bodysuit for V3...meeeeooooowwww Now, the scene is a test scene, so don't worry about a rather unconcerned victoria expression etc, opinions needed on whether the shells muzzle flash look OK? I got a new program called Particle IllusionSE and this was one of the built in effects, figured I'd add it to the Uzi. I think it's OK, but I need confirmation. Best wishes Jody

Hmm, it looks too much like water vapour to me, rather than muzzle flash. As for the shells, you'd need a magazine about 2 feet long for all those. :)

Maybe a little more red in the flash? I counted 44 shells...seems a little excessive for the weapon shown.

an uzi only holds 30 shells, with the curent angle, there sould only be 10 or so on screen...

If she's firing that many shells as she's (apparently) moving across the scene, the shells won't be dropping like stones from that one position -- they'll be flying in an arc to match hers. The muzzle blast? It really doesn't work. Thin it out, make it look more forcibly pointed, and it might have something.

Cool, thanks everyone, this really helps out.

A shell is normally ejected more than five to ten feet from a weapon like the one in the image. When combined in the arc of her movement, they should follow the path of where she's been. And yellow/redden the flash a touch but ONLY around the edges

Check out: http://fp.minot.com/cobraydc/videos.htm for some video of a Mac-10 being fired. Will give you a feel for muzzle flash, smoke and casing ejection. Also give you a feel for the very real recoil of firing full auto. BTW, you may have to refresh the screen or click the "videos" tab once or twice to get it to download right.

It would also help to get the gun a little more visible. Against that chrome jumpsuit, it's almost invisible.-- I am using my crap monitor, still, many people have crap monitors. At first I thought she was dropping a handful of ammo and looking at a very low flying cloud. Dissappointed in the splitting of that suit around the crotch and thigh. Emily

The shells don't tumble down, they shoot up, out and back, like the other guys said. And they're hot and blackened. The flash is almost impossible to capture properly because it only lasts 1-3 milliseconds and a frame of film is usually 20 - 40 milliseconds. So you should try for a stylized look based on what the other guys said and forget about realism. With a fast-burning powder like in a 9 MM load, the flame is going to be more orange-red, but with a slow-burning rifle cartidge load it's more blue-violet.

Bikini Girls with machineguns by The Cramps ROTFL! Nice video example. Agree with what everybody said. Another good example is The Martix when Neo is blasting the lobby.

Outside of what others have said the only nit I have to pick is that the spent cases are too long for 9mm rounds, they look more like .30 carbine rounds. The pic shows an MP5K along wit a 9mm casing.

Yeah, the brass on 9mm is nice and short. There's a shell casing set in freebies that has a decent variety for you to get a feel for size.

I'm not a a firearms expert, but the the muzzle flash looks very different than anything I've seen. . .in the pic it looks like a brightly lit cumulus cloud. . .and its projecting straight forward. A number of weapons have "flash suppresors" which distribute the muzzle exhaust perpendicular to the barrel, at its end-- I have no idea if the weapon you're using does so, but its a neat effect, and widely used in firearms shots for film. . . Also, the exhaust should appear to be lit from within. . .