XprssnMagic...great product. Use it with Roxanne, and you've got millions of new faces! Sleevless bodyshirt...don't waste your money! 10 minutes and I still couldn't get it to look worth a damn.

The v3 sleeveless shirt from Daz? too late - I already bought it. Looks great until she lifts her arms above her head, then the breasts poke through +++. It would be better if they supplied a way to colour her skin underneath. I tried using the grouping tool but it's taken me too long. Love Esther

The V3 sleeveless morphing shirt has 114 morphs in it that are set, change one of V3's morphs to one included in the sleeveless shirt and then it should be fine with the arms over her head. included breast morphs in the sleeveless shirt: BreastGone BreastSize1 BreastSize2 BreastSize3 BreastSize4 BreastSize5 BreastSize6 BreastSize7 BreastSize8 BreastMale BrstNatural BreastDroop and more morphs. tones of material settings for doing textures. Have you questioned Daz about it? they are very helpful. I haven't bought the morphing sleeveless cause I really didn't need or want another swimsuit and don't use those kinds of clothing items in my art work, but I would be interested in knowing if it is the product that is the problem, or if it just requires more knowlege to use it.

Hmm, I just bought it, too. Guess I'll have to spend yet more time with images of half dressed women. Oh, the pain of it. ;)

Hmm not sure. I would have thought the way to go would be to change the morphs on the clothes to make them fit, and not V3, but the morph for Body on the clothes don't actually do anything at all and you have to go to the individual parts to change them. So you think I actually need to change my model to fit the clothes. Hope her body still looks the same then. I can try I suppose. I did question daz 2 days ago - no reply as yet, maybe because of the weekend. love esther

Sorry, tired and probably missed it. I don't know which needs chainging V3, or the clothing. Generally if a clothing item does not contain a certain morph then when the model uses that morph strange bizzaro things happen to the clothing item, pop outs breaks weirdness. so if you change V3 to BreastSize6 then this sleeveless shirt should conform to that because it contains that morph. but if you changed V3 to say some rediculious number to get Vicki in a temple, then maybe that's where the breast popout is occuring. again, I don't have the product so I can't claim to know, but I hope someone that has bought it can post a messege stating how it works etc.

Thank you Ming, for the mention! Isn't Roxanne based on Vicky2? So I guess you've got Victoria2XprssnMagic. (There's also ones for Michael 2, Stephanie, Victoria 3, and P4FemMagic and one in the works for P5JudyMagic.) I don't have the shirt, but if you're using it on a Victoria 3 figure that you've reshaped, try selecting one of V3's chest area body parts, then Edit/Copy from the top menu, to put all the dial settings into the Clipboard. Then select the corresponding part of the shirt and paste. Repeat with each appropriate body part. If the shirt morphs have been placed and named correctly, you should get a fairly good fit. Or sometimes just setting a No Nipple morph on the figure is enough to prevent it popping through. Of course, you can also make the figure's breast a bit smaller if the shirt's not low cut. HTH - Elisa/gryffnn

I think I actually tried setting the breasts to the same number in each - V3 and the clothing but when she raises her arms above her head she still pops out. Love Esther PS I'm going to try again. I had a partial success by increasing the collar sizes on the clothing to 103 percent.

I found ExpressionMagic "ok," but not quite comprehensive enough. I want to be able to morph all parts of the face, including eyes, nose, mouth, cheeks, lips, etc. This program only allows you to morph 2 parts. I'm not sure how they could change it to accommodate for the other "face" parts.

If I make V3 breasts smaller the clothing just conforms to the smaller breasts with the same poke-through. It isn't just the nipple poking through or even just the breast. When she raises her arms she pops out through all parts of the collar. I'll try the copying dial settings thing. But also remember, changing the morph dials in the body of the clothing doesn't actually have any effect - even when I set them to things like 10 just to see, so I do think the clothing is probably buggy. Love Esther

Peter, I'm confused - are you talking about one of my XprssnMagics? They are designed to let you mix-and-match many eye and mouth expressions, select a combined expression and paste the dial settings to the head of the appropriate figure - WITHOUT changing the settings on your character's shaping morphs. They're not designed to shape a character face (nose, chin, etc.). Although I do have a P4FemFaceMagic that lets you compare any two of about 80 different faces and pastes in dial settings to my P4FemMagic version of Posette.

bookmarking for bodyshirt results...

OK, I'm not at my own computer right now, so I can't give the details. You have two sides of the screen. Is it eyes on one side, and mouth on the other? Something like that? When a person smiles, the eyes, nose, lips, cheeks, and more can be involved in the facial expression. The same goes for laughing, crying, frowning. Another problem I found was that you didn't have the same description on both sides for expressions. For instance, I'd look for eyes smiling, lips smiling, eyes frowning, lips frowning, cheek frowning, whatever. I found the program and combinations so confusing that I went back to my own combination of manual morphing, using the dials.

Esther, if there is a problem with the morphs (sometimes the internal dial names have an upper/lower case mismatch, extra space or mispelling - Poser is fussy about that) or the conforming, DAZ will probably fix it after the weekend and send purchasers a link to download the upgrade. They are terrific about that. And somebody will probably post here tomorrow who knows about this product and can tell you more. Good night all :-)

Make sure her ik is off and that you conform the shirt to her, then only use the V3 morphs, not the shirt morphs. You should be fine. If not please could you let me know what pose and what dial settings you are using and I will try to help. Marque

2 different products and different posts to address them whew! somehow i read "if I smile my breasts pop out" I'm going to bed now hahahaha! (when your boss asks for 17 hrs of overtime just say no)

Stupid question, you are using the newest sr of V3 with the shirt? Marque

Hi marque, that's not how my one looks. Did you just morph the V3 breasts big, and the suit fitted automatically, or did you have to copy the dial settings across? Love Esther

You don't need to copy any dial settings. Just load Vickie3, then load the suit and conform it. Make sure her ik is off, and use her body morphs, the suit will follow. Are you in poser 4 or 5? ERC doesn't do the same in 5 that it does in 4. Marque

Hi marque, that's not how my one looks. Did you just morph the V3 breasts big, and the suit fitted automatically, or did you have to copy the dial settings across? Love Esther

The suit fits automatically to her morphs. Don't copy any dial settings. What version of Poser are you using? Marque

Hi Marque, okay thanks for all this help - I really appreciate it. I thought I had the latest V3 but you've put doubts in my mind. Maybe I haven't installed some update on Daz. Also I did have IK on, so I'll try this next. And if that doesn't work I'll send you all my dial settings. love Esther

Hi Peter, just refreshed the page and saw your last post. All my products come with an illustrated user guide (such as Victoria3XprssnMagicGuide.pdf). I'm never sure where the DAZ installers put them in your Runtime, but you can search for the name. Hope it's helpful for you. I'm limited by the morphs that come with a particular figure, some figures let me integrate all of the face more fully than others, especially when I use small positive and negative settings on a lot of dials. The reason the eye and mouth names don't exactly match up is that we interpret the same mouth expression differently if it's paired with different eye expressions - using a concerned eye pose instead of a distainful one. A sweet smile can become sinister. Even a neutral pose on one matched with an active pose on the other conveys a distinct message. We're very sensitive to subtle variations. So the names are just a guide, you still have to experiment (and maybe fine-tune the dial settings) to communicate the exact feeling you're after. Good night again....

Ok hope I can help you out. Just remember, don't use any suit morphs, the V3 body morphs are what drive the suit. Don't know if the ik matters...I always kick it off. But if you are using Poser 5 I don't believe it will work. Marque

Yup, and then her morphs need to be injected. She still hasn't said which version of Poser she is using though. Marque

Hi Marque, okay thanks for all this help - I really appreciate it. I thought I had the latest V3 but you've put doubts in my mind. Maybe I haven't installed some update on Daz. Also I did have IK on, so I'll try this next. And if that doesn't work I'll send you all my dial settings. love Esther

forgot to tell you:- I'm using P4 and I've got a mac. love esther

forgot to tell you:- I'm using P4 and I've got a mac. love esther

forgot to tell you:- I'm using P4 and I've got a mac. love esther

Eep, don't know about the Mac, Daz may have to help you with this one. I would start with her in the default pose that she comes in with...then conform the suit to her, then pose her. Don't know if the suit will come in on a body that already has the morphs applied, will check for you now on mine. Marque

The first thing to try for P4 is to delete the .rsr file for the shirt that resides in the geometries[wherever] folder. (I don't have the shirt, so I can't say where it's located.) I believe MACs have those files as well. They corrupt like crazy and cause all sorts of stupid things to happen. It's worth a shot.

If I have her in default pose, the suit fits perfectly. As soon as I pose her I get poke-through. If I pose her first, then put on the suit, the poke through is apparent from the start. Love esther PS I haven't tried morphing her afterwards

What has happened is the shirt is morphing but Vicki isn't. This Poser clitch happens in Poser sometimes if a figure is loaded out of sequence or after a figure already exists. Has nothing to do with the clothing item. Start with a fresh scene 1)Load Vicki first 2)Load the shirt second 3)Conform shirt to Vicki 4)Turn Vicki's dials 5) Viola!

Hummm, my suit loads in on the body and follows the morphs without a problem. Think this is one for Daz hun, sorry I can't help. Don't give up on it though, it's well worth getting it to work. I would just step away from it until you can talk to tech support there. Marque

With these V3 morphing clothing items, you need to conform them before changing her body shape. Do that first, and you shouldn't have any problems.

Hi, thanks. all good advice. I must admit I haven't started with a completely new V3 - I start with my already morphed V3. the thing is even though the dials are simple on the body, there are a few leg and arm ones that I would need to change separately, and also the face of course, though I suppose I could just save her head to the faces part of P4. Maybe I should just leave it for awhile and try later. love Esther

So the suit takes advantage of crosstalk then? That makes sense.

All Daz V3 stuff takes advantage of crosstalk. Otherwise there are too many morphs to manage and people get hostile. Course sometimes you loose either way. Pity really.

I brought a V3 in - unmoprhed. Placed (confromed) the clothes on her and posed her - no problems. Then I added some muscularity, tone and young as above - instant poke-through. I think I will have to wait until Daz comes up with an answer. Love esther

Hmmm...are you sure you have the lates updates to the V3 cr2 and morph packs? The latesst update exe files for V3 and the head and body packs should be: pe036-SR1.1.exe mr017-SR1.1.exe mr018-SR1.1.exe

Oh! One more thing. I was working on some poses this week, and ran into something very strange. It seems that clothing items don't like certain joint rotations and will behave strangely at certain settings. Ex: I had a hip rotation of Y -53 on my character, and it mangled the right buttock of the conforming shorts. I changed the rotation to Y-52, or Y -54, and it went back to normal. I have no idea why t his happens, but it was easy enough to fix.

What has happened is the shirt is morphing but Vicki isn't. This Poser clitch happens in Poser sometimes if a figure is loaded out of sequence or after a figure already exists. Has nothing to do with the clothing item. Start with a fresh scene 1)Load Vicki first 2)Load the shirt second 3)Conform shirt to Vicki 4)Turn Vicki's dials 5) Viola! Momcat, Poser will sometimes do that when the centerpoints of the part are identical on both the figure and the clothing. Another known Poser quirk. It can sometimes be avoided if the certer point of the part in question is moved a tiny bit. But sometimes that doesn't work either. I call it a "poser pop". Try a minute scale of the part by .001 You will see this most often on third party clothing where the clothing item was plugged into a stripped figure cr2. but it can potentially happen on any conformed item in Poser

The problem with the poke thru with the Body Shirt is a Poser 5 problem. V3 has JCM on the collars and chest that affect the upper chest. The Body Shirt also has its version of the JCM. Poser 5 cured cross-talk - cured it too well. The Body Shirt rotation will move with the V3 rotations, but the ERC connection from the clothing rotations do not get passed to the clothing JCM. You have to set the clothing JCM by hand. The rate is 0.02 - not an instant or obvious calculation. If this gets cured, it will be up to CL, not DAZ. There needs to be some control over cross-talk, not complete removal. I am thinking a null morph dial for clothing that an be set equal to the rotation in the figure and then properly set the JCM may be a patch With P5 conformed figures can have no JCM, becuase the joints cannot control any morphs when they themselves are slaves of a figure.

Thanks for the input on the shirt.

One of the many plans we have for Daz Studio is to impliment a form of crosstalk as a controlable feature that allows the user options instead of the slotmachine results in Poser. Crosstalk can be managed in Poser but it is complex at times. Please note what I wrote above incase anyone sees a post like this before I do. lol Need all the help I can get.

Thank you, thank you! I must have had an old V3 afterall. I loaded in the new ones. Copied the setting from my old ones, and now the clothes fit perfectly! I'm very happy with the outfit now, and highly recomend it!!!

I also recomend it. Thanks for all the info.