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Subject: Voting on Gallery Uploads
"This would save Renderosity some money on storage space and it would 'clean up' the galleries where people only leave what they feel is their best work."
Limiting the size of posts would be an interesting idea, although impractical. Some images just can't be reduced enough. I tend to delete some of my images after a certain period of time, I delete those that didn't get any comments or gets the smaller ranks in the same page.
As a member of the fractal group, what I see that happens the most there (I did it some times!) is that you happen to have zillions of variations of a single image just by zooming or changing small details, so people like to post the 3 different variations. With Bryce for example it is very boring to see one post with the model lifting her right arm and other with her lifting her left arm, or just a colour variation.
The fact that lots of posts at once "hide" our own posts isn't bothering me, I often receive comments from old posts - so it seems that people keep digging the archives for old materials. I was amazed when I found a lot of great images that were unnoticed by almost everyone.
I've definitely stopped from viewing the fractal gallery entries daily as I did when I joined, there's too much too see. But we can't stop creativity.
oh yes...I like the ideea of 7 per week... and the 3 per day... after all, it is so hard to see that you did enough art in 7 images per week? Oh my.. members will leave Renderosity... I don't think so. I would agree on 5 per week too, not the number is important, but the quality. Well... I admit I don't render much, most of them are for fun, I post once a month almost, since I have some other things more important to do. So... I wonder if your postings will be limited to 7/week it is like you won't have fun anymore? Look at the colors of clouds, at the flying birds... that is fun too :) Think better and you'll see that 7 is enough. And YES, Renderosity is kind enough to host some huge images for free. Don't you guys think it would be nice of us too to respect the efforts they make to give us the best ever comunity? 7 it is showing respect for this people here :) SHOW WHAT IS THE BEST IN YOU GUYS!!! 7 is a super cool number and should be enough to prove the artists in you. (: ---Peace--- :)
Ecstasy's comments about revenue, sounds to me like some kinda showcase for the store and elite translates to who can buy the most products. Now you've done it. THats not what I was saying and realy dont appreciate you putting words in my mouth. As long winded as you are and not that Im being sassy. But I find it absolutly amazing that you have so much to say and a slant on my persona here at rosity all because of of an image I named "Shadow wind" wich was so long ago and meant as a freindly jesture and not a slap in the face the way you have repeatedly done me:/ And frankly the Gallery I suggested for you and the turtle your setting on,Lo*, Was not just a poser gallery it would include 2-d and photography also. And not a grand stand for products. Revenue was reffering to outside the site and a personal thing wich has nothing to do with rosity Bud' You must be a politician . I like the way you come close to border line Liable. ~E has left the building , Make way huge ass and head comming through,LOl!!
Its realy nice to know the galleries are still taken seriously and not jst a shocase for products. I was just throwiing out ideas, but there are so many that are better informed and well spoken to argue the points without it becoming a flame war. But I would like to see the top 20 go away and to have less catagories of art and more teaching and curtiqing thats my thing. But why change the uploads? Sometimes I just set when I have time and browse the galleries, and go through hundreds of pics, I rather enjoy it. I would hate to see that go away. Someone already said it "If its not broke why fix it?"
Ecstasy, hehe, I was going to say don't even go there on the ShadowWind picture incident. Just something we didn't agree on at the time. I'd actually forgotten all about that until you just mentioned it. I hold no bad feelings at all, and I understand that the sentiment was in the right place and even commented on your work since then and I do think you are one of the best texture artists around.
If I misquoted or misunderstood then I apologize. It is very easy to get caught up in the sway and read things into text messages. BTW, I'm not a lawyer, but I've been burned by one on TV (and off) :)
Now I am really out of change, so I better go do something practical like doing art instead of arguing about it. Keep it real guys and gals...
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It is broke. I too only post once in a while and hate that my one image gets buried many pages back within an hour. Not only that, but I would love to be able to go through the gallery once a day or so and comment on people's pictures more. With so much garbage being posted daily, it has made me loose interest in this whole website. I'd rather see more quality put into the images than quantity. The only time quantity comes into account is for comic style images where you may have multiple pages. However they can always be combined into one image or fewer images. I say even 7 a week is too many. If you can produce 7 good images a week, then you are an artist god.
i just want the galleries to inspire me, again. looking at page after page of vicki in the latest temple with the latest armour just isn't doing it for me, anymore. and, maybe, that's a huge part of the problem. we learn by doing, reading, and LOOKING....i still want to learn. but, looking at so much sameness isn't showing me anything i haven't seen a bajillion times before. and, ya know, even if we limit the number of uploads....all those ones who "put together" a render with stuff they bought will still be rendering and uploading the same thing everyone else is. so, i propose: one day a week, chosen secretly and randomnly by a panel of trustworthy mods...(hummmm???)we have...."Comment on the flaw day". instead of picking our jaws up off the floor we will be expected to say things like..."it's okay, but her elbow is running into her boob. that hair color looks AWFUL on her. her boobs look like plastic....that sort of stuff. well, since none of us would know which day that "flaw" day was gonna roll around on any given week....i bet we'd all be a bit more careful before uploading. also, the votes for the 20, on flaw day, would be for the WORST image you viewed that day. Pop...Pop...Poppi!!!
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I think that Renderosity should send an e-mail to poeple who ahven't logged in for a year...ask if they want to keep their account. If they don't click the yes link, delete their account and all their images (but not forumn posts). As for gallery images, I normally hang out in the Maya part of renderosity, and we barely even get 2 a day, so its not a porblem here. And I barely post an image every week....
Ok, I got it :) It is not about BANDWITH!! :)) But I still believe that when you use something that is not yours you must not abuse. And yes, as Eowyn said, I hardly can keep up with THE POSER GALLERY. Images dissapear so fast, and sometimes some artist that have no name work a lot on a good image, wich is taking them sometimes 2 days or more. They might have a very good ideea of composition, but they cannot show some a** or boobs, cuz good images don't allways contain this things. And nobody looks at the efforts they make. I am fortunate to have viewings enough to make me feel good about it, so don't you dare thinking I am talking about me here :) OK? When I say no name it is not that they are not able to get a name because they are not enough artists, OH NO... it is because they post less and they are not on the main gallery everyday so you can remember them all, cuz we are so many. I do believe that longer time exposure on main page will do good to everybody, even to those that get hundreds of viewings on the first page too... who knows they might get thousands :) :) 7/WEEK, 3/DAY. A very good ideea.
I think one image per week is enough. I use to post two or three images per week, sometimes only one per week and I think it is enough. I don't want to criticise anyone, but many times I have seen a lot of renders made by different artists which look all the same, same pin-ups, same poses... I used to test stuff and I had to make a lot of commercial stuff, but after a while I decided I have to create my own art and right now I am posting only what I think it is the best. Sometimes I make 3 renders a day, but I don't post them all, I only post the image that represents me and which I consider is a good image. I know artists who upload even 3 image every single day and I am wondering : Isn't this greed ? Some artists should think that there are other artists who post rarely and who have the right to get viewed too, right ? So my opinion ? One image per week is enough. Poser is just a game and some of you here treat this limitation of postings problem like it is a tragedy ! Have a super day ! Val
I too support 1 image aweek but since that is not an option, I'll settle for the 7/Week, 3/Day. I would also love to see the ability to filter galleries from the "View All Galleries". There are alot of galleries that don't interest me, I never visit them so why can't the artist (member) have more control on what they view?. We can filter the forums we don't want to view. Also I hate seeing the same image together, post in one gallery not two. Just my thoughts.
"I hardly can keep up with THE POSER GALLERY. Images dissapear so fast" "it's okay, but her elbow is running into her boob. that hair color looks AWFUL on her. her boobs look like plastic....that sort of stuff" So is this really about poser,but all the galleries have to fall into step? Poser has a big and growing community. What's next - limiting members to the Poser forum? I still don't see the limit as fixing your problem really.
I'm in complete agreement with you illusions. It's not like most of us who post more than one image a day post them all at once. When you have 100's of members posting at various times, then obviously the front page will continually be overturned.
My idea of rebooting is kicking somebody in the butt twice!
Ok I only asked for 7 a week because I work at home and have more time them most to look at the gallerys and I know how long it takes me to look at them all . I comment on almost every pic I look at and have on almost every one that has posted in here and I do feel bad when I miss some ones work I never asked for 7 a week because I want ppl to look at mine more I asked so I would not have to spend 3 hours looking at the gallerys and miss some still so sorry if this made some ppl mad never meant to xoxoxoBobbie
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Well, my *two cents* is this: I personally like it the way it is, but I also agree that when you post an image, use some discretion. And by discretion, I mean that really work hard at what you do and give it 100% b4 you post. I have made some stuff that I wasnt really proud of that my peers here have never seen just for that reason. And some of the stuff "in my mind", well, let's just say heaven forbid it ever gets to render LOL. I will say this, I have been thankful for this place because it gives my work a chance to be seen and to be commented on, whether good or bad. We all grow as artists, even the "veterans". A student never stops teaching and a teacher never stops learning. I say leave the upload limit where it is but just keep in mind what your showing. None of us is under contract to put stuff out, like authors or movie makers, so we can afford to put out the best stuff we can in our own timetable. Pressure to perform can choke off artistic inspiration, so take your time. My own art isnt always the best in the world, but that's life. ;o)"First comes the chaos, the change, then the growth" - Madelyne Pryor
My first reaction when seeing this was that I enjoy being able to post three a day. But after reading and pondering, I must admit that 7 per week makes sense. For nearly a year, I never visited anything but the fractal gallery. Now I have begun to visit the main gallery and enjoy viewing the other galleries and seeing the diversity of art and the diversity of great, great talent here. But it is nearly impossible for someone with limited time to seeing all the postings in a 24 hour period. I also agree that being able to somehow filter out the galleries that you wouldn't want to see in the main gallery would make it easier on the viewer to see only what is of interest to him/her. (even if many of you would choose to filter out the fractal gallery, sniff, sniff...:D). I think this would be a wonderful idea. I myself have been guilty in the past of posting three variations of the same work, so I understand that viewpoint, even if at the time I thought it was a good idea. It's so easy to eagerly post one's latest three works, but a month later when going back, I might think it was a mistake to post that one because it really isn't that good, after all. Being limited to seven per week, would make me pick and choose very carefully which ones to post, thereby weeding out the chaff.
I don't think that less postings per day will get you more comments. Most folks know when they see the thumb if they want to view the full size image or not. Seeing 10 or 20 comments would probably make you more likely to want to see the full size image and all the comments. But not being able to view all the postings, I have bookmarked fav artists and also bookmarked the hot 20 for the bryce gallery, the vue gallery, and the mixed medium. So I am definitely for keeping the hot 20 for each category. Whether or not they all belong there as someone mentioned before, is not an issue with me. I know I am more likely to see what y'all thought was the best of the past week if I go to the hot 20, because more than likely, I have seeing it the first time due to the volume of posts. As far as the 'give it to me straight' issue, past experience in various lists and groups has taught me that this is best handled by personal emails and IM's. Human nature just tends to let things get out of hand if harsh comments are posted for all to see, and could be embarrassing for the artist. This way, constructive criticism can still be given without any offense and opening a pandora's box, so to speak, of unpleasant replies. For me anyway, I have received emails offering constructive criticism, and I appreciated the personal email approach. So there's my 2 1/2 cents worth. Thanks for the thought provoking discussion.
I'm with umblefugly on this one: "I vote for 1 main gallery upload per day.I should clarify that, 1 upload for the general galleries and if the member has a product coming soon then an additional one for the Product Showcase and Product Forum while the WIP and Beginner galleries remain at the same status. Just my 2 cents:)" Just my 2 cents! So between us we have 4 cents:)
"How fast your image stay on the "front page" depends on the number of members uploading not the number of pieces uploaded per member!" Out of 36 images currently on Bryce pages 1 and 2, 15 have been posted by 6 people. If there were a one per day rule, there would be 9 images less. That works out at a 25% reduction in images and naturally translates to a 25% reduction in image "speed". Sometimes it will be more, sometimes, less, but this sounds like a reasonable average. So tell me, when does 25% = 0%?
Mlevans has the right idea. I completely agree with the first half of that post. Really, with the new sub-categories do we need to make this an issue at all? It doesn't make sense unless it is for space on the servers.
I'm also with MarvinR in that if the issue is people not spending enough time as the "new" render on the block then their complaints should just be ignored. If you want to look at your own artwork that badly (and I dont know why youd have to, since you made it and KNOW what it looks like) go through your own gallery page. Its faster and you can check for feedback that way if you dont already have the renderbot notify you through e-mail.
One of the things people have to look at is the shear number and size of this particular web community. Renderosity is NOT the only 3-D site out there, but it is one of the largest. Simply because of its very size, even if we were to limit the number of renders posted a day or a week or whatever, there will STILL BE A PROBLEM!
Have you been through the member list? It's huge! Even if we all posted only once a day you're still talking about 165,399 posts! Now, we know we all dont post that much and we know that its likely to never happen that way.
I was quite happy when the new sub-categories went up because it meant I could look at the art I wanted to and do so quickly. One would think that it would have ended whatever discussion there was on this subject. My only complaint is that theres no Poser/Dragons gallery!
It doesnt seem to me that content or quality is under attack, although it DOES seem like people are trying to make it seem that way. Its a matter of quantity. And really folks, the quantity is just fine. I admit, Ive been annoyed some days that I could only upload three pictures, but damnit I made 5 and they were really cool! But guess what? I waited and posted the next day! Really, its not that hard to do. And then I might go six months without making a thing, and post just one lone pic up in the gallery. Either way its cool. Were all different artists, and we all have different philosophys of art and its management. Thats what makes belonging to this site so damned fun. You get to see how the other person thinks. You can be apricative of someone elses work, and have someone else see something in your style they might not have otherwise concidered.
Lets stop arguing, and get back to the art.
If I can only bitch once a day I'm clearing out my gallery. Just because a whining minority of self-proclaimed world-class bitchers think they can bitch to a higher standard than anyone else doesn't mean that the newbies' attempts at bitchery should be restricted. Renderosity thrives on bitching and limiting the number of times a bitchy-faced member can bitch in a day is stifling and unnecessary. ;)
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All I have to add to this thread is Renderosity must have an unlimited number of servers and hard drive space to store all the images that get uploaded. The only images of mine I upload is ones I personally think are worth a peek. If I was told today to remove all my stuff from Renderosity, I would ask, "Is right now ok?" only because I have my own site. I'm sure if I didn't I might feel differently about it. I realize not everyone can afford to have their own domain or webhosting to show their work. It would make more sense to me if their was a limit on the number of images you could have in your own personal gallery, (10, 20?) that way you can rotate out the ones that are old so you can add more improved work to your gallery as you go along.
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I've been posting images off and on here for a longer time than a lot of members in this discussion but with the number of images now in some of the galleries I hardly bother anymore. The reason I don't bother posting very often anymore is because there is no longer much time for people to really view my stuff anyway because of the sheer volume of pictures posted every day. In my humble opinion and for what its worth I think that quality does seem to be something one should strive to accomplish before posting a picture. And there are very few of us who can make a true quality picture at the rate of one a day if just because the strain on the imagination and eyes would be enormous. I personally think one picture a week in the more busy galleries such as the Poser and Bryce ones should be sufficient and who knows, more than 30 to 40 people may get to view your work before it gets buried. And if you posted only pictures which you want to be truly satisfied as belng worthwhile posting then having a week to work on it can only make it better than hurrying to upload a picture or more every day. So my vote for the galleries which I usually post in (Poser/Bryce) is one per week as there are those here who are certainly much more prolific than I am and can handle a truly quality image every week.
Rebel Yell,
250,000 images at 200K average is only 50 gig of HD space, so it may seem like a lot of storage, but it's not. Bandwidth is an entirely different issue, but that's not the discussion here either.
To the rest,
I still, like Illusions, would like to see a Gallery Filter for the What's New All, regardless of how the poll turns out...
After looking over this thread again, I think one of the areas of contention is the fact that if you only look at one gallery, you don't see an issue. Like was said above, 1703 images in 30 days is only 60 images a day, and if you just stayed in the Bryce Gallery, it wouldn't take long to go through them (about 4 pages worth at 18). However, if you are looking at the What's New All, there is 16000 images in 30 days, or over 500 images a day (which is roughly 25-30 pages to sift through...
Just thought I'd throw that out to crowd...
There IS a filter on the Galleries page. It's called the "Gallery" and "Category" - nifty little dropdown boxes and all, right above where the thumbnails load.
Select Poser, or Photography, or whatever gallery you want to view, and click apply, or even select the category within that gallery you want to view, and voila! Nice filtering!
My reason for pointing this out? For those of you mentioning about how we need a gallery filter, we already HAVE one - and it works well, too.
~seli
I would rather see the old stuff removed after it grows stale on the shelf, rather than restrict what can be added. Personally, I've seen my own work grow and mature a great deal in the last year, and the same goes for many of the other artists out there. Having my old stuff pulled after, say three to six months is not a problem, in fact, I tend to do it myself. But I am a staunch "anti-limits" proponent. If there is a bandwidth issue,... GET MORE BANDWIDTH!! This has always been a cop-out of corporate America,... "screw the user becasue we're too cheap to fork over for more bandwidth". It is one of the main reasons the internet still crawls when it should be flying. As to stuff getting buried and not seen because "too many downloads are placed in front of me in the queue",... well, WAH! Try competing in any market in this world an see what happens if you don't "produce, produce, produce". From what I've seen, if you're worried about hits and ratings, change your name to one of the three or four prefered artists in the community, and you'll boatloads. If you're worried about furthering your art, stop typing on forums and get back to work. All that ranting said, personally, I can't produce fast enough that I have to worry about posting more than two or three a day anyway. I'd say leave the three a day limit alone and cull out the old stuff,... standard practice for any server maintenance.
If I had the time to chart it, I would. However just guessing at the numbers, I can pretty easily say that when I post an image, for each page it gets pushed back, it gets about half the viewings as the previous page. After it is about 5 or 6 pages in, it gets virtually no views. As someone stated earlier, it is very hard to build a connection between an artist and others unless they post a lot. This site should be a fun community for all, but unfortunately when a few dominate, the smaller ones get lost. Oh, and I don't think changing the posting rules would even affect anybody but the poser and bryce galleries because anyone who does work for 3d max, or cinema 4d, etc, usually only posts once a week. AS for the crappy pics I was referring to earlier, perhaps I shouldn't have said crappy. I mearly meant the sea of sameness that is the poser and bryce galleries. Pose, post, pose, post, pose post.
Actually Seliah, even though you are right, it would be great to be able to pick from a multiple select list the galleries that we want to see images from rather than having to do them one at a time. Which is what the gallery and category system does...
I don't think they should get rid of the gallery genre thing, it is a great feature. Just enhance it...
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ive been watching this for awhile now, and so far ive learned, "any limits are bad" "competition is bad" and if any one dissagrees with anyone they are a "whiner/wiener", some people can make 10 great renders a day, some cant make one a month, critical comments used to be good, now their damaging and hurtfull.and if RO changes anything, people will leave in droves. ah the political proccess, screwed and skewed as usual, :)