Do Steve Buscemi, and you've got my $39.95. :)

Thanks Steve for the info.

Ok; I bit. Mostly because I like her base face morph, and I really like the textures...but also because I really want to see how much nicer she'll look with about ten more pounds added to her, maybe 15. I think she'll make a great base for other characters with that eye shape and lip shape, plus I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but her cheekbones are higher. I've been hoping for a morph that will raise the cheekbones for ages now. That's been a pet peeve of mine on all the models. You can make the cheekbones smaller, bigger, shallow or prominent, but you can't raise or lower them...same with the jawline. I consider what I'm paying for is a nice texture pack, plus a differently shaped character face base. That makes it well worth the price I'm paying via the PC, and so long as she's not obviously recognisable, I can do pretty much whatever I want with her.

'and that one actor whose name I always forget, he was in "Ronin" and I think "The Professional", always plays french guys it seems' Steve, I think the reason Jean Reno always plays french guys is because he IS french. LOL. Either that or he's a helluva good imitator. Yeah, 'Ronin'.... good movie... with De Niro too. But JR was better in 'The Professional' (aka Nikita) mac

now if you did one of Devon Aoki or Debi Mazar.... :)

Debi Mazar!! ::swoons::

::taps foot impatiently:: I also decided to test out the payment via Paypal option. I hope the response comes soon. I wanna play!

THEY HAVE A PAYPAL OPTION NOW????? Cool. I have really wanted that. I can't get into Daz from my work computer. Sigh. Two more hours and liberation from work and back into a virtual spending spree.

Hey, I would like a Mel Gibson model!

Jean Reno is actually french :-).

Oh, if you'd do Harrison Ford could you add a younger morph that he would look like he did in the first Indiana Jones movie?

Perhaps she doesn't want her likeness to be featured in pornography that she doesn't get a cut of. Makes sense to me.

As I'm sure even the purest of us know, there'e porn, and then there's porn. Playboy? C'mon, the Rosity Poser galleries have raunchier stuff in 'em. I haven't seen Ms. Goddard's Playboy pics, but I assume they're relatively tasteful "cheesecake" type shots. That sort of thing might be porn to some, but it's not gross or degrading. I would assume that she wants to avoid seeing her likeness in harder-core stuff. Still, it's probably best to interpret the EULA conservatively, just to be safe, although I suspect that has made a very good point, as regards compromising already self-compromised public image. Maybe there should be texture sets based on porn stars so nobody will mind. Admit it, Rosity members, there's nothing you want more than that Ron Jeremy texture and morph set. xoconostle ducks and covers

I meant to say that Rattler had made a good point. Grrrr. Typos.

"there'e (sic) porn, and then there's porn" Exactly. "I haven't seen Ms. Goddard's Playboy pics, but I assume they're relatively tasteful "cheesecake" type shots." Such are the ones I have seen. I have not seen much of her work since, but I understand from those who have that she maintains a fairly conservative presentation, considering. "I would assume that she wants to avoid seeing her likeness in harder-core stuff." Most people would not, and I can certainly understand why a model would be harmed in such a fashion as it would make it all the more difficult to secure the right kind of work. "...there's nothing you want more than that Ron Jeremy texture and morph set." RJ would not need a morph set. :p

playing with virtual pornstar poser models?! oh good gewd. (secretly has a long list of texture sets that I would want haha!)

"Maybe there should be texture sets based on porn stars so nobody will mind. Admit it, Rosity members, there's nothing you want more than that Ron Jeremy texture and morph set" ::screams and hides in fear:: EEK!

I just wanted to take a few minutes and point out a few things of interest. I understand concerns that people may have concerning the issues related to the usage of the Anna-marie Goddard model. We have definitely stepped on a minefield with the digital clone project to some extent. In order to get AnnaMarie interested in the project in addition to offering fair compensation for her work and use of her identity, we needed to have ways to protect her livelihood and reputation. Hence the changed EULA.

The first changed area is the part about not using her for images that may damage her career. I understand that it may be somewhat vague as to what is or isnt damaging to her. I would suggest that people use her website as a guideline of the types of images that she is willing to do (or deems pornographic for that matter). If she is willing to pose for and publish certain images of herself on her website then similar images would be safe territory. I hope that concept helps in some way.

The second change is the commercial usage restriction. Overall we believe that the majority of the potential customers will not be effected by the non-commercial usage clause. Every live model that we talked to about this project was concerned about this area. They were concerned that their likeness, name and persona would have unlimited commercial usage for a low selling price. For example, if someone uses the AnnaMarie character in a game that generated millions of dollars and the character became the next Laura Croft. She would not be justly compensated for that usage with a small sales price of under $39.95 (of which she gets a portion of that). Another concern is that she not be used to endorse products or projects that she does not want to. If there is a project that requires her endorsement, persona and likeness then it is probably something that she should be compensated for.

We hope that people will see this project for what it is. Basically we are just trying to provide a very very realistic mesh using a live model for reference. If this is what you are looking for then this model is for you ( hopefully it will be:). This project will be a test to see if this type of thing worthwhile to continue in the future. I would also like to encourage those of you who have bought it to post a few images showing others the detail of the model as well as the texture maps. We really believe that this product is worth it. If not, you know that we will stand behind our 30 day satisfaction guarantee.

Sincerely,

Dan Farr
President, DAZ Productions

Thank you for coming to see us.

Oh yeah, one more thing. I wanted to thank AnnaMarie Goddard for being willing to do a project like this with us. She really has been a great sport and fabulous to work with. Dan Farr

I would love to read about her impressions of the experience. Do you think she would be inclined to write something from the model's perspective? (In general, not necessarily to post for us in here.)

Illusions, Good questions. I just got of the phone with AnnaMarie and discussed a few of these issues with her. I told her that I mentioned that people should use her site as a guideline (there are plenty on images in the non-pay area that gives a good gauge) and she was fine with that. Not to mention that it would be impossible for DAZ or AnnaMarie Goddard to prove that someone is creating digital images that are damaging to her if she has similar images posted on her website. The AnnaMarie Goddard digital clone is a morph made form Victoria 3, therefore the Victoria 3 morphs work quite well with the model. Creating images that are not in AnnaMarie Goddard's likeness should be quite easy. I hope this helps. Dan Farr P.S. One more thing, I asked AnnaMarie to come by this thread and introduce herself. Hopefully if she gets a chance she will stop in this weekend. Please be nice to her if she does:)

I, for one, would welcome her here. I am familiar with some of her older work and would like to have her compare/contrast - from the model's perspective - the differences in project length, camera angles, model fatigue, etc. I like to see past favorites show up in new and exciting ways. :D

So if we are going to make an outfit to sell for poser, then we can't use AnnaMarie in the promo image with the product because we are going to be making money off the product?

So, if I am understanding this correctly, the license isn't "nearly" as restrictive as it originally seems?!? If I want the eyeshape and the cheekbones, but change enough of the face, body, etc, than I can use the render for basically whatever? As it wouldn't "be" her, so to speak? I do mostly fantasy type stuff, so the porn issue wouldn't be a big deal. (Although I did see her layout, and it was very tastefully done, as mentioned before. And yes, I subscribe. :D My husband finds is quite funny that of the two of us, I have the subscription. :D) As long as the restrictions apply only to the mesh/texture "exactly" how we receive it, I don't see it as being really that restrictive, and will gladly spend that money on it. I find her features a great addition to my morph arsenal. :D

I WAS going to buy her...but now my platinum account isn't working. :( Guess I will have to wait a bit. Does anyone remember, it was the webmaster we were supposed to email, right? Poor guy (or gal). :D

the EULA: "(3) sell any portion of rendered output that contains any portion of the 3-D Model(s) without prior written consent of Anna-Marie Goddard, her attorney(s), or other legal business representation. Failure to obtain such permission will result in the User being held liable for any and all damages and costs and all other legal remedies available to Anna-Marie Goddard under applicable state, federal and international law." So I do my ultra Goddard "looking" woman fighting a mil dragon and print a poster and sell it, I'm gunna be in trouble. I understand the intent of the EULA to protect Goddard's image/likeness, however for commercial uses it's very unlike Vicky or Mike where I can create printable poster work and sell those. I'm still a bit confused. Sorry, I'm slow. If I use the Daz product to portray Goddard laying naked on a bed as fan art non commercial I'm fine, but the minute I try and sell the print I can't? SOOO is the Goddard Clone Package similar to Educational licences where you can do what ya want, ya just can't use it for commercial or profit uses? If so I can understand that but can't use products that restrict me as such and would have to pass on the product, however skillfully crafted the product is. I like that Daz is pushing the envelope and trying to do something new and creative at a low cost to users, however it seems to break the trend of commercial use that Daz has established so far with their other products. Vicky and Mike were done from what I understand as 'unknowns' in a similar fashion. Dan - What was the thinking behind the 'clone' project? I don't want to ask about the Daz secret code for business, not my question, more was it to see if a 'clone' of a actual person could be made for use with poser and we'll see where this goes? the product looks great, really, but the limited EULA restrictions make it hard for me to see where this product was intended. Would have made a killer freebie with the EULA like it is, but then, money doesn't grow on tree's I know. Thanks for all the great comments by everybody, interesting ideas coming out and being talked about. Copyrights, EULA, where this is leading, I'm truely facinated to see where this will take us all and our art.

Well, I think it's an exciting trip DAZ has undertaken. While people may be reluctant to buy and use the product due to restrictions, I suspect there are people who will purchase regardless. And maybe even people who will purchase after a lot of these questions are laid to rest. And the concerns by Ms. Goddard are understandable. I wish DAZ well with this project. If for no other reason, I'm holding out hopes "William" and I will finally get the perfect Buffy (smile). And if not SMG, then (crossing fingers), Angelina Jolie. Hehe, I know I'm just kidding around, but what IF? What if it became trendy to be a DAZ 3D mesh?!?! I can just hear it now...Jennifer Aniston smirks to Nichole Kidman, "Yeah, but are you on a DAZ 3D mesh!?" Thanks, DAZ, for always looking for new paths to venture down. And thanks to Ms. Goddard for taking a chance other celebrities turned down.

bm

I'm truly fascinated as well, I'd really love to see this as a wildly successful product category that rapidly expands. I can just envision using a mesh with the toothy grin of Rebbecca Romjin-Stamos and the warm compassionate eyes of Anne Archer (for instance). Or Debbie Mazar, Laura San Giacomo, Laura (Mary Tylor Moore) Petrie, Or, or, or, .... :-) I'm planning on getting the AMG product on my next DAZ buy. I only wish they'd posted a pic or two of the AMG smile morph, or a link to a picture of the living model posed to match a promo pic of the mesh (sorry, I'm really not familiar with what she looks like, myself).

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Good looking model...very pretty face. SWAMP

I have her now, and I'm working on a few quick things to show folks some details. I'll be posting them over at Renderotica later on this weekend, or maybe tonight.

The images posted (I have to say) look better than those at Daz. It is getting quite tempting to say to get her.

watching from the shadows

"Basically we are just trying to provide a very very realistic mesh using a live model for reference" - A wonderful idea, but why do it in a way that necessitated all the additional lawyering, restrictions, etc. Yes, there is the added appeal of a "known" personality and we all have people we'd like to see Poserized but oy vey, you have to morph them into "not them" (as defined by third party lawyers) for many purposes. Why not just use an attractive unknown model without all the legal baggage? I'm sure DAZ wouldn't have anything to do with porn stars, but in the long run, it might be less hassle for everyone. As for the sales appeal, more people in the sedate Renderosity family seem to be familiar with Mr. Jeremy than Im would have guessed, so I think the market is there - though hopefully for someone attractive and female. I really do hope this project is a success, it (real people) is a good idea but using mainstream celebs will probably always be a legal quagmire. I don't recall DSI having all these restrictions on Dina but of course Dina probably doesn't have the pinstriped army of sharks that AMG does. Nice try but I'll pass on this one.

I am not a lawyer , but what i see and read is pretty much the same thing i get when i photograph a model. So its a pretty standard kind of agreement. Also from what i have seen of the renders its not like its a twin of her and easly recogniseable as her. Except for her moles and what nots. A model not wanting others to profit from her name and hard work is a agreement i can live with. I am wondering about the farie thing, were that came from because i see no mention of anything close to that.

I have purchased the Anna-Marie Goddard Digital Clone 20 min ago and I have to say its a great high quality product. I'm confused about the EULA too but I think it will be clear soon. I just want to say thank you Anna-Marie and DAZ for this great High Quality product. It is worth every cent. Chris

I really like the idea of Digital Clones, but dislike the idea of strings being attached to their use. When I pay $30-$40 for a Poser figure I do not want to be bothered with analyzing a EULA, or always having to think about how I use a model. Even though the Ann Marie EULA would almost certainly never be a problem, it's the additional hassle it adds that I find objectionable.

In the future, DAZ should just stick to cloning "unknown" models who do not require a EULA to use their likeness. What do I care if a model that a figure is based upon is famous or not! I just want a high quality product - even if the likeness belongs to Jane Doe.

Ok,I saw the AMG clone in the DAZ store, and I think the textures are wonderful. If I were to buy the package at all it would just be to get those textures for use on V3. Frankly, I have no idea who Anna Marie Goddard is - never heard of her until now. I wasn't all that impressed with the body shape or the face - but those textures are to die for, lemme tell ya. BUT if I can't put them on one of the other V3 characters, then I have no use for any of the package as I sincerely doubt that I would ever use the AMG character "as is" for any of my projects. Kate (who wouldn't want a Ron Jeremy either - that man is disgusting... ewwww)

OK, I just KNOW I'm going to be sorry I asked, but WHO is Ron Jeremy? I guess I'll state my opinion too as long as I've tread into this thread (rhyme unintentional) I'd also like to see great textures without having to worry about deciphering a EULA. No offense intended to an obviously beautiful woman, but for the price, it's not a feasible investment. I hadn't ever heard of AMG and personally don't see the need for the hype, other than it is without a doubt a gorgeous texture and morph. But I'd rather pay a bit less money for an equally beautiful set that doesn't have a famous name attached.

bm

OK, I just KNOW I'm going to be sorry I asked, but WHO is Ron Jeremy? He's a chubby but rather cough well equipped pornstar with a funny moustache. Please don't ask me how I know :P

LOL! Thanks Outi, I kinda figured that's what it was, I just couldn't help myself, I had to ask.

how about a totally impartial opinion? The digital clone idea is a good one in many ways. How many people went daffy over the free "buffy" (sorry buffy, I dont remember your real name) morph recently done by one of the members here at rosity? However, the restrictions that are understandably imposed may make it an unprofitable venture for all involved. if thats not enuff of something to make you think...how many of you have ever heard lee say she was gonna pass on something? (lol..sorry lee, but you buy everything :P I mean anyone with a 36 gig poser directory has got to be a poser addict :P) As someone who has only in his entire poser existence only bought 2 things, this was what was to be #3 for me. Fact is, if I want something..I usually just make it...but because I like the texture (and I'd like to have a good texture for v3 beyond the model tex's) I really wanted it..but I have to say (with respect to DAZ and Ms. Goddard) that tho I understand to an extent the restrictions on the package, they make it virtually useless. my .02 BT

I think it's a great idea to have these celebrity lookalikes, but out of ALL the people you could have chosen... I mean, ALL, Dan -- why in God's name did you start with a porno star? Amazing.

Joey, She's not a porno star. She a model who posed (poses?) for nude pictures. Not that there's anything wrong with it either way. Frank

You know my problem with the EULA,is that it says nothing about how her image may be used.What it does say about non-usage is too open ended,and open to interpretation by too many "3rd partys" including family members. It should have readings such as"...if an image is to be used in a way that does not represent Ms.Goddard's true nature,it must then be altered to a state that no longer bears a close resemblance to or may be associated to Ms.Goddard...". Including wording such as this, would not only protect Ms.Goddard,but give better guidelines to all purchasers of her likness.The language in the EULA is strong and not too well defined,but this is a new and big step into the CG world for all. As for the biggest concern by most(but not me),is the non-commercial usage restrictions speaking as one who spent 10years in the fashion photography worldsorry nothing new there. If you think by paying less than $30.00 allows you to make money off the image and name of a Playboy model..(reality check time here)..your are flat out pissing in the wind. Go ahead and make a poster that you can sell..just change it a enough as to not look or be mistaken as to be the real Ms Goddard.For instance the links in this thread that Firebirdz gave are great looking images.the only thing,they look more like Cindy Crawford than Anna-Marie to me. If you have what it takes to make good money from a project that uses a true likeness of Ms Goddard,Im sure she would be more than willing to sit down and talk about it. I think Ms.Goddard, by allowing her image to be at the mercy of a mouse click by hobbiest,artist,professionals,and horny 15 year old boys,shows great courage. Perhaps one day she can saythats right..I was the firstGod help us all. SWAMP

Joey, ... I am sorry but dang you like to whine. So far every post I have looked at this morning you are complaining about something. And they probably started with a model because most people that use poser like pretty women and they sell pretty well. She is also comfortable taking off clothes. I am sure they might have a harder time getting Danny Aiello to strip and have every inch of his body photographed etc.