Well first of all, Im properly getting flamed for this post, and maybe even banned. But so be it, if that happens. Im pretty tired of being told what is allowed to talk about on this site anyway. Not that I post a lot, but I love to read the forum here at Rosity, learning new things, hearing peoples opinions about different issues and just getting smarter. Warez is a banned word here, why? Because Warez is illegal? Well think about this, it is illegal to kill someone too, but yet the papers around the world is writing about it, they even show pictures about the killing too. And if you are lucky, they have filmed it as well!!!! I understand why certain type of pictures are kept out of here, such as molesting children. But I dont understand why we cant talk about it! Thats what I do at work with my colleges, talk about yesterdays 9 oclock news, and what was in the paper. There is nothing illegal about talking. But some mods around here apparently believe they know what is good for you to read and will make that decision for you. Just like when you were a kid and your parents told you shut up or go to your room It really makes me mad, since Im now 34 years old, and can make my own decision about when I need to go to my room. And it annoys me when someone makes a post, and I have a comment for it, but no luck, it is LOCKED, because the mod thinks that this issue, is no longer good for debate. Well I never got the chance to debate it, thank you so much Saddam for making that wise decision for me. I needed it, because I cant think for myself. Better stop now. I apologize for any misspelling, but Danish are my native language and not English. No wait, hell no I wont apologize.. forget it. I did my best If I stepped on anyones toes, Im sorry that was not my itend. I just believe in the rights of every human being. Thank you for reading, and take care.

Eh, there's nothing wrong with talking BOUT warez, but it's another thing entirely when people start asking for / posting links to cracks/serials, that usually why they lock threads, to preempt that sort of thing. Yes, I know theres plenty of other places to get cracks/serials, but this isn't supposed to be one of em. And if it started happening here, 'rosity would lose all credibility, and could even face legal action. As to the comment comparing this forum to a newpaper writing about murder and whatnot, no one was ever killed by reading something. If it were possible to create some magical string of characters that would instantly slay anyone who reads it, it would be logical to assume that posting such a thing would be illegal, because muder is a crime, just as it's illegal to post cracks/serials, at least in most countries. Think for 5 seconds before you post, Thank you.

we need moderators so they can do things like move this thread to the forum where it should of been posted to in the first place...OT Forum

hmmmmmm, well from what I see, the mods help us alot. I have rarely seen a thread that is locked right away, it takes a good while and many opionions before it is locked (from what I have seen). I think that the moderators lock a thread after they see it is not going anywhere but in a really hateful direction. I have seen threads that discuss so many different issues and have also seen threads that go in a terrible direction, I just don't think it aids any of us when you go there. You say that: "Thats what I do at work with my colleges, talk about yesterdays 9 oclock news, and what was in the paper" Discussions are one thing, but do you ever at work, get so pationate that it may really ruin your day or have someone say something that is so cruely put, your day is a mess. This is truely a different area, it is not like talking over the water cooler, because you don't see these people faces everyday, you may never have seen them before or after. I am glad that the moderators have certain rules, it helps keep us all in check, which even as adults we need to stop and really examine our reactions. That is just my 2 cents worth....and I am 47, so I have not been told what do for a very long time, of course I am always being told what to do and what is allowed by the government and laws. Sharen :-)

May I assume that you are not proposing that we (as a community) actively and support being engaged in illegal activities, but you want the ability to talk about participating (or not participating) in them? I think the moderators are useful in not letting community members get out of hand....when personal remarks and attacks are made, when arguments burst into flame wars, it is very good to have a mediator that puts a stop to escalating hostilities. I am not personally for advocating Warez and child pornography on the site. It would seem to me there are plenty of outlets for such advocacy on sites that I would rather avoid visiting. Not everyone who visits here is over 21...I would rather we promote good examples of behavior rather than bad ones, but I now that's a lost cause.

The reason we have mods isn't to make decisions for all of us, because as you rightly said most of us can make our own decisions on what is & isn't right or suitable. The mods are here because there are a few who seem to make it their mission in life to be disruptive or nasty to others & they are the ones who could get this forum/site closed down or sued. Also no-one has ever been killed BY reading something but they've sure been killed FOR reading something. It just happens that subjects like Saddam or warez are illegal or unacceptable in the country where this site is run from so the rest of us from wherever we are have to go by those rules even if they don't apply in our country.

Husk pat der er love i nogle amerikanske stater der er temmelig meget anderledes, og restriktive, end hvad vi er vant til hjemme :o) Samtidig er det lidt den gode gamle: Kan du ikke li' lugten i bageriet... ;o) Husk pdette ikke er en offentlig side som san, Den ejes og betales af Bondware, firmaet bag Renderosity og de har ret til at suvert vge hvilke emner de vil have pderes side :o) Hyggelig med en anden dansker forresten :o) Hej. ~~~~~~~~~ In short I said that laws differ from country to country, and since this site is ownde by Bondware they choose what they want on it :o)

djuke if you want to debate it then go to the source, debate it with the poster. I think the mods are needed. Marque

djuke,To better understand why your upset,perhapes you could tell us what thread was locked that you wanted to post a comment. SWAMP

They're here to move posts like this to the OT forum and you can talk about and debate almost anything your little heart desires.

Why are we here? Well, the main points have been covered already. We're here to help out where we can, to mediate in disputes if we can, to make sure the rules of the site are upheld so that this remains a friendly place, one that anyone can come to and not get shouted at or derided... Enough to be going on with? Kevin the big bad ugly moderator ;)

TikiGawd I totally agree it is wrong/illegal to pass serials and links as well. And I did not complain about not having to exchange such things, now did I? That was not my point. And for your information, Ive never in my entire life, looked for or used warez/serialZ. What made me write this, was a thread I was reading earlier this day, where lots of artists had their pictures stolen, and posted on another site. And then the moderator say. This has gone far enough or something like that. What is wrong with debating that? Why do you have to lock that? As to the comment comparing this forum to a newpaper Well obviously, YOU can not read between the lines, and see when it is an example and not a direct comparison. Murder, steeling candy, whatever, the point here was ILLEGAL. I could as well have written a mad person stole a bone from a dog. That would be all right. But if it was an poserartist, who had stolen the bone, it would have been an totally different story LOCKED If it were possible to create some magical string of characters that would instantly slay anyone who reads it, it would be logical to assume that posting such a thing would be illegal, because muder is a crime HMMMMMMM. Think for 5 seconds before you post, Thank you. Might ask you the same thing!! Anyway, thank you for your input.

TikiGaw I totally agree it is wrong/illegal to pass serials and links as well. And I did not complain about not having to exchange such things, now did I? That was not my point. And for your information, Ive never in my entire life, looked for or used warez/serialZ. What made me write this, was a thread I was reading earlier this day, where lots of artists had their pictures stolen, and posted on another site. And then the moderator say. This has gone far enough or something like that. What is wrong with debating that? Why do you have to lock that? As to the comment comparing this forum to a newpaper Well obviously, YOU can not read between the lines, and see when it is an example and not a direct comparison. Murder, steeling candy, whatever, the point here was ILLEGAL. I could as well have written a mad person stole a bone from a dog. That would be all right. But if it was an poserartist, who had stolen the bone, it would have been an totally different story LOCKED If it were possible to create some magical string of characters that would instantly slay anyone who reads it, it would be logical to assume that posting such a thing would be illegal, because muder is a crime HMMMMMMM. Think for 5 seconds before you post, Thank you. Might ask you the same thing, read your above statement. Anyway, thank you for your input.

dialyn Ofcourse Im not proposing any illegal activity either here in this community or anywhere else. Is I said to >>TikiGawd<<. This post was not ment as an attach towards illegal activities, but an attack against trying to censor the freedom of speech. And again as I told TikiGawd, talk do not include sharing files/links. What is wrong with personal remarks, Really? If you do not want to listen to that person, then ignore this him/her. How difficult can it be? I do not need a mother to tell me whom to listen to or not. If the person who makes remarks dont get any response, well he/she will get bored and stop. Not everyone who visits here is over 21 Sorry, Ive been waiting for this sentence. I might be rude and say WHO cares. Im not responsible for what the kid next door are doing or saying (cursing). Im responsible for what my kids are doing, and which sites and language they are using. So it is MY responsible what my kids are doing, not any Moderator! And by the way, who are we kidding, the kids will find what they want one way or another, with or without you knowledge.

c1rcle "Also no-one has ever been killed BY reading something but they've sure been killed FOR reading something" Good point lets get the mods at the papers!! Then no one will read it and wont be killed!! Just kidding or am I?

SWAMP This is the message, that made me wonder! http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=1275008

What does this mean? "HMMMMMMM. Think for 5 seconds before you post, Thank you. Might ask you the same thing!!

SAMS3D I think Hmmmmmm. would be something like "Uuummmm" or the expresion that Tim the toolman say, when he do not understand. Think for 5 seconds before you post, Thank you. Might ask you the same thing!! And same to you

When people come into the forum and bring up certain subjects the forum at times goes into an out of control tirade. The mods are here to prevent this. The TOS is clear, if you can't understand it or don't want to follow it you are welcome to go to another forum. I appreciate the mods and will support them. Marque

"Sorry, Ive been waiting for this sentence." You sound like you are just here to argue with anyone who will answer you. Sounds like a troll to me. Marque

Marque No troll here, I ment every word in my post without the meaning starting any fight, steppeing on someones toes or something like that. ( I believe that is what you mean by troll) I simply wanted to say, I don't like when other people decide what I can read and what I can't read. That is all. "Sorry, Ive been waiting for this sentence." English is not my native launge, so I think that it sounds more bad than I really ment. Write me in Danish, and I will explain to you!

Well, I am sorry, I don't understand your comment, I reread what I wrote and feel it was the correct answer concerning your question. I am through now. I think my point and many others here, who's opinion I respect highly, have posted to this thread using words with great and careful accuracy. Sharen

Og det hjalp enbart ikke engang med dansk? Hvorfor er du sfjendtlig indstillet? For san virker det pmig. Selvom jeg dybest set er enig med dig mth hvad man mle/snakke om og ikke msvar det ikke den mest heldige me du fik det udtrykt palts.. :o) Jeg studsede ogsover at den tr blev lt, men somme tider mman vel stoppe en tr inden den fylder for meget, rent teknisk? Hvad ved jeg? Npyt. Bliv her endelig :o)

Hej ernyoka1 Nej det var nok ikke den mest heldige me jeg fik udtrykt mig p:-) Men den tr var bare hovedet psmet, og ja sblev jeg nok lidt for sur. San er jeg normalt slet ikke.. Jeg er absolut ikke fjendeligt indstillet, og jeg vdster virkelig Renderosity. Men det jeg angriber, og det er kun et lille angreb synes jeg, er at sitet her har udviklet sig til et mere eller mindre selvretfdigt politisk forum, gennem de sidste 3 jeg har vet her, hvor man skal passe phvad man siger. Istedet for bare at ve et forum for 3d-elskere, hvor man kan hente inspiration, ogsvia debat. Nmen nu er pulsen faldet :-), og selvfgelig bliver jeg her, hvis jeg f lov. Irigt rigtigt rart at se lidt dansk her :-)

Well first, thank you all for your input. The way this thread have developed was not my intention at all. I did not intend to attack anyone or step on anyones toes. If I did, my deepest apologies to everyone. I wont happen again, and I will keep my mouth shut from now on.

Please don't feel like you have to keep your mouth shut from now on. It's helped that you've indicated that English wasn't your native language. The more you participate, the better your conversational english will become. If you don't participate, we'll lose the opportunity to learn from you and benefit from your perspective. It might get bumpy now and then, but we're big boys and girls and can learn and grow with the times. ;-)

I agree with Bobasaur, and if I offended anyone here I do appologize also. Sharen

Why do we need moderators - Let me count the ways :)

1. without moderators there would be no one to remove trolling comment posted to your gallery.

2. without moderators there would be no one to removed child porn or other images that members deem unsuitable for this web site.

3. without moderators there would be no one to engage the nudity button when artists forget - thus to protect the rights of those members who do not wish to view nudity!

4. without moderators there would be no one to remove members in chat who are type-yelling-obscenities to other members.

5. without moderators there would be no one to help when images are used by other members without permission.

6. without moderators there would no help in the forums when no one else will respond to a request for help.

7. without moderators there would be no one to come to stop unlawful use of warez.

8. without moderators there would be no one to help assist with members when other members are IMing them with unwanted or obscene comments.

9. without moderators there would be no one to come to when there was an issue about MarketPlace questions or problems.

10. without moderators there would be no help with site questions - as in how do I upload images.

Those are just a few of the reason that I am proud to be counted as a moderator of this site - and also proud to be amony the many other thoughtful and helpful moderators who make Renderosity a friendly place to call home :)

As to the thread being locked - I am very pleased to announce that I have unlocked the thread in question and apologize profusely to those who still had constructive, civil and thoughtful comments yet to make.

Sincerely,
ladynimue

Ok, I'm a Mod and I'll chime in on this one too.. In the course of trying to keep things running smooth, we all have to make judgement calls.. WE discuss many things first before an action is taken..WE do the best we can to make this a good place for everyone to hangout. Personally, I'd much rather spend my time HELPING folks in my two forums.. I enjoy keeping the challenges running.. All of the Mod team has spent many hours tracking down nasty comments on images.. Settling disputes between members.. Just think, we have "real" lives and familys too.. Warez....Think about it.. First it's against the law EVERYWHERE..Second, did ya ever notice there are Software companys that sponser this site? Without them this site wouldn't be possible. Third, Look at all the FREE stuff these software companys give away here.. So why would a site like this let folks ask for serials and cracks ??? That's just biting the hand that feeds you. Being a mod isn't the easiest thing to do..Again.. I'd rather be helping folks than spending three hours looking up and removing nasty comments by ONE member Pushinfaders

pushinfaders... actually it was never suggested that it should be allowed to ask for serials/cracks here. Only that it should be possible to DEBATE it. Which I personally think it is allready, but that was the point. Mods are apparently needed here, try one of the un-modified usenet groups and see what the lack of mods CAN mean. Not everywhere of course but there are trolls and morons everywhere and whithout a way to block those sorry fools they can quickly take over a place and make it somewhere that NOONE wants to spend time.

All good points but..who watches the watchmen? Seriously. Most moderators are pretty decent...but..a while ago somebody got a bit nasty about somebody else and the first somebody was 'old school renderosity' and nothing was done. Some folk seem to get away with posting whatever they want without reprisal..particularly some merchants. Now, I'm not going to specify so don't ask, I'm not complaining about it but...we are grown-ups, this is supposed to be an artistic community( I think it is) and artists have opinions. As for the Warez thing..it's real simple..if anyone asks , im them and advise accordingly. In my job I have to act as a moderator on a network and a word or two can often help. If a thread is blocked then why not say..blocked:warez request..or whatever rather than the moderator has deemed this thread to be unsuitable which can to some folk seem a little patronising.
Now ladies and gentlemen, exercise a little restraint..I'm not saying that moderators are baddies..I've found their decisions to be fair and normally well reasoned but I don't go to every forum. The fact that some folk are mentioning it shows an element of dissatisfaction with certain aspects of Renderosity, don't matter if I, or anyone else, disagrees with them, when last I looked we were all allowed to post our opinions in the forums. Good people..I rest my case...for now :)

I think this forum gets bare-knuckles enough as it is..BTW, when did 'ol 'Shoe-shine boy' become an illegal topic?..;)

A few points: Warez is good. Discuss. Warez is bad. Dicuss. See, it's perfectly fine to talk about warez. Now, if you mention or ask about how and where to get warez, then you're violating the TOS. Talking about the subject of molesting children? While some former victims may feel that talking about it is either theraputic or painful, this topic may be too sensitive for general audiences. Try starting a thread about it and see what happens. I agree that the thread about stealing images was abruptly locked with a "This has gone far enough", but mods do that from time to time: they feel that people have talked about a subject for too long, that the thread is getting pointless, and then they lock it. Why they do this for some threads and not others is a great mystery. Why are there big threads speculating about DAZ Studio when a release date hasn't even been announced yet? I would classify that as a "pointless" thread, but I'm not a mod. The bottom line, though, is that this is a private forum and as such, the mods have to enforce the rules. "Free speech" only goes so far as they allow it and must conform to their rules.

. "Free speech" only goes so far as they allow it and must conform to their rules' Ever was it thus :)

freedom of the press is limited to those who own one.. good quote, whomever said it..;)

"Im not responsible for what the kid next door are doing or saying (cursing). Im responsible for what my kids are doing, and which sites and language they are using." Amen! Re your original post, I think it's pretty obvious why we need mods, but I do agree with you here. "Get a gun and shoot at a cop? I just said it - I ain't know if you'd do it or not" - Eminem "If you don't look after your kids, I will" - Marilyn Manson