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I don't understand why the prog would crash because of cables. That makes no sense

It might be your processor and RAM. I used to have troubles with Bryce when I didn't have enough "juice." What kind of computer do you use?

Alright! , yeah my computer crashes only if the scene exceeds 70+ megs , anything smaller than that and Bryce doesn't crash.

Hi, I agree about problems, due to the usage of RAM! (once got similar problems with huge scenes of 50..60MB+, until I did upgrade to 256MB. And imported(?) "cords" can be memory-consuming. I once tried to export a desk-lamp as mesh from RayDream4.2 that had a spiral cord and that program did create that cord from zillions of triangles. The more the curving, the finer the mesh. Well, that lamp itself then was only 200kB, but with the cord, I got >20MB, if I remember right!! Ouch! ;-)

It says: "This image made bryce4 crash" but I guess It should have said: "Imported objects made bryce4 crash". I usually work like this: Creating meshes in Rhino or Maxx, saving them as an obj file,importing them into Bryce, Resizing them in Bryce, Saving the work as a Br4-file. I repeat this a couple of times until i'm satisfied with the result. With this particular image I had created 8 cables which were conected to the chair (2 chairs so 16 cables) and saved it as an obj-file. When I imported it into Bryce I first noticed that it took a very,very long time till it was finaly loaded into Bryce. When it was finished importing the cables Bryce just crashed! I didn't get an error message or something like that. Windows was still working. tried it again a couple of times with the same result. So I just left the cables out of the image. Now my best guess is that Rhino messed the obj file up while converting it. Btw I have a pentium 233Mhz with 64 Mb Ram The scene was 32Mb (without the cables)

that's possible. But 233mhz doesn't help either. And I have 64 megs, so I know how hard that is. That's still weird to me. What you might want to try is, instead of making cables in rhino (which I wish I could figure out) or MAX, try creating cables by using symmetrical lattices. Just takes a bit of practice and texturing, but it can be done. If you look at my picture Haight Ashbury 1968, you can see behind the stereo equipment that I made wires out of lattices. The trick is to draw your cable design in grayscale in an art program going at leasat 500 by 500, smooth it by using gaussian blur, set your resolution in the E lattice editor to like 510, click new/from picture to import your grayscale, then take some time to lower and smooth it until you get the roundness you want. Using lattice cables will take up much less memory space and should let you render the scene the way you want.