i was thinking about doing a series of head and face shape morphs for vikki...or any head type(P3 or 4 male or female BTW you can still use your standard MT's without interfearence) you know just clear out the detail and give you a blank slate to start with ... i have been studying her head, dont think i recognise that shape from anyone i know...i also need advice on how to distribute those morphs without violating zygotes copyrite. as you know, there's a wide variety of head and face shapes, i really dont know where to start i need suggestions, the bad part is i need examples at least 2 views of the same person, wonder if theres a chart or illustration of some type i can work off of. if theres a particular face or head shape you need or you have suggestions drop me a note ill see what i can do, im retired and have time, besides i thouroughly enjoy making these things and helping people realise their goals. JAFO JWTUR@AOL.COM "If you think education is expensive... try ignorance"

Try "MorphSqueeze" by bushi. This strips out all of the non-essential information from the OBJ file. This has two advantages - Firstly, the squeezed morph cannot easily be used to recreate geometry. Secondly, the morph targets are much, much smaller in file size. Paul

EXCELENT thank you Paul, ...oh can this be used on complete figures also? or just individual parts?

This is specifically designed for morphs. Unfortunately, there is no way of compacting an OBJ file for a figure (that I know of). Paul

JAFO, giving away or even selling morphs is totally kosher, that is why my old man and old woman characters are distributed as morph sets, that and the incredbly small size, (120K total .Zip for head and all body elements except hands and feet). The first time you have to load the morphs body element by body element but then if you save the character in your Figure/People you never have too set up again... plus you can dial down the charecter if at a later time it is clashing with other morphs. And as Paul says, the stripped morphs can not be used to recreate the .obj so people can't use your character to hijack a figure they don't already have (important with Vicky to say the least). I would certainly appreciate a "blank" for Posette and Vicky! And if you need another project, your heavy man face/neck is so great, could you download Traveler's Morph World HeavyFem character which has an excelent body and do your majic and make a morph for the head and neck :) Your work is excelent, and greatlky apreciated by me for one. BTW, what software are you using to make the morphs?

There is a book some people think is cheesy but I think is great and recomend to all of my students: Drawing the Face & Figure by Jack Hamm (Perrigree Books $7.95). Click the link to see at Amazon.com, Hamm gives great help on facial detail and face types as well as fundemental figure drawing and composition issues that apply well to work with Poser.

You use *.pcf for figures if you change the geometry. *.uvs my be OK for everything but Victoria (Zygote has supplied no answer on this). If the work is completely based on morphs, and the change involves many elements, then a CR2 file stripped on all but the relevant morphs (yours plus the expression morphs) may be the easiest form. You ought to try MASA's new MT mirror program. It works on Vicki's head. You only have to do half the face and then it exactly mirrors it to the other half AND strips the file to just the "v" data (morph only).

Jaager, I looked around Masa's site, here, the usual places but didn't find the Morph Mirror. Can you point me to it?

Can't you just post a face pose? At least if it uses standard morph targets you could. Otherwise I suppose you'd need that and a morph-target obj. Just go into the morph target file and remove everyline that doesn't begin with a 'v'. I'd love to have that morph mirror program too. If anyone can find it's URL let me know. I had a nightmare making elf ears a while back... In the end I had to settle on a simpler morph than desired to keep it similar enough on each side of the head.

I think I found it: http://www.eurus.dti.ne.jp/~masasi/PROGRAM/MTmirror.html

i already have the MTmirror tool..i consider it one of the best tools i have ... try their PAI program also its cool.... and i do greatly apreciate the input from all of you

What is PAI program for?

Hamm's book is a classic. "The bump that becomes a hollow." I have a paperback he illustrated -- Did Genesis Man Conquer Space? Gaverluk and Hamm Thomas Nleson, Inc. 1974. It's a trip, sort of creation science meets Eric Von Daniken (sp).

No way! That is sooo cool! My other fave forties illustrator and how-to artist is Arthur Zaidenberg but i'm SURE he's out of print. H e did these stacked black men in a totally Deco style always using the side of the charcoal... all his woman have a smoky slaternly quality but the drawing is crisp though the patterning gets almost cubist. Can't rember who did the Walter Foster figure books that are in every art store, the thirty-something nudes with head scarves on, so elegant and sexy yet somehow subburban. Tracing those in my youth was certainly formative.