In case anyone here hadn't ran across this, I'll sum-up the the basic points of info here. ------------- Photoshop 8.0 codename "Dark Matter". To be released this summer. A NTSC/PAL/HD preview. (a move towards digital video) Apply filters non-destructively to layer content. Improved 16-bit support. Ability to work with non-square pixels. Improved support for .pdf files. RAW & JPEG 2000 plugins will be integrated. (comes with it) -------------- Adobe will also be releasing Illustrator 11, InDesign 3, and After Effects 6. And, actually before any of those are to come out Adobe will release "Encore", its new DVD authoring software. All this will finish up before the end of the year. Adobe will still not confirm, nor deny any of this. Info from Computer Arts, June. AgentSmith

hmm I wonder its cost?? It sounds like some cool new things comming. Gets me all giddy hehe!!

Coming soon to a p2p client near you...

I'll keep that in mind when you pop up with Photoshop 8? AgentSmith

I'll keep that in mind if i see fbi agents near my perimeter. Over and out sarg.

i think adobe needs to get their head out of their a$$ if they want to truly make money. They need to enforce the "Triple Lock" process MS has adobpted for their registered users. As long as Adobe puts out a registration of 1 line of numbers... they will have million of pirated copys floating. MicroSoft has actually cut back pirating of their products so much in the last 3-4 years... their stocks when skyrocketing. MS has reported a 45-55% cut back of their pirated software floatin around.. What this triple lock thing Adobe needs to adopt? When you Buy the CD.. it comes with a 25 digit serial on the case.... you install the software.... enter the serial... the computer then reads your personal CPU.. and gives you a 1 of a kind, cannot work on any other cpu, 45 digit serial number. you then in turn Call MS 800 number and repeat this number to the phone rep... they in turn will give you a 20-30 digit number back to you. you enter the # in... and WAALAA... EZ..... if adobe startd doin this.... pirating of their software will shrink termendously.. but then again.. thats just what i think.

Excuse me, but this only works (in my opinion) because the newly bought computers come already with MS. If every customer would be forced to actually work trough these tedious steps by himself, for every software....not a good idea! Dani

actually im refering to products such as MS Office or MS FrontPage 2002. You do not have to do these steps with software that comes with your PC.. lol Microsoft KNOWS u bought that software... they sold it to Dell...ect.. to put in it. And so what if you have to do this ONCE on your PC... heres the thing... IF a company cuts back on Pirate Loss... its Prices for the actual software will drop... (HERES THE CYCLE.... the more peopel pirate... the higher the actual software cost gets... the HIGHER the price of the software... the MORE people pirate) its a BAD cycle.. and that why you pay 899.00 for the newest version of Adobe PS right when it comes out.. your paying for your copy as well as many others that got theirs free. SOO.. the point is this... IF they make a register system that is HARD for the pirate to copy... you wont pay 899 for the program anymore.. youll actually pay alot less.. (or thats what Shoudl happen). And in my opinion, have to go through these steps is worth the discount. And i understand your opinion on this, but Id suggest getting a lil more educated in a topic before commenting, saves embarrasment.

Lol, diskounttrash. AS

i think it sounds like an unessecarry pain in the butt. Its like the whole 9/11 thing. Some people come in and bust up a couple buildings, and in turn, the public suffers with mass amounts of restrictions and searches at airports and all that crap... all the while, the people who are truly responsible are kicked back laughing at the hell we have to go through. Maybe if the world wasnt so based around money, and people werent so greedy, this wouldnt have to happen. But since everything, even basic human survival is dependant on the size of ones pocket book, its only natural that people will scheme and plot against one another just to make an extra buck.

"And i understand your opinion on this, but Id suggest getting a lil more educated in a topic before commenting, saves embarrasment." GOD spoke to me!!! bows shamefaced

The next phase software companies want to do is to have people access their Photoshop program (for example) via the internet only. Only a bare minimum of software would be on your computer, and to use the Photoshop (or whatever), you would use your program through the company on the internet. I don't know details but that's the basics from an article I had read. I don't see it happenning anytime soon, maybe limited use in the next 5 years? Maybe never. AS

Well, GODspeed, IMO those convoluted registration schemes are great for the software houses, but not so wonderful for the users. It's bearable when it's just one product, but consider what it'll be like if all your installed products pull this trick. What if you ever have the nerve to move to another machine or are forced to recover from a disk failure? You'll be installing for days (assuming the software houses are prepared to reissue reg codes). All the while wondering why as the poor schlep that actually paid for the software you have to do all this. As for reduced piracy resulting in lower software prices, it is to laugh :)

Indeed... And if it ever came down to that, people would just stick to using what they already have. Good luck software companies.

I hate to break it to u guys but, for every program thats made, cracks are made. There is no way around it. Even mighty MS office can be and has been cracked. Secondly, regaurdless of the fact of piracy, any legit business still has to buy real copy's of programs less they face a huge law suit. The one thing that no one can disbute is that adobe puts out great software with cheap upgrades. To bad curious labs cant figure this out. PDI.

Thats so true... If you think about it, all the software is developed by humans. No matter who you are, and how hard your encryption is, there is always gonna be someone else out there who knows just a little bit more than you, and thats all it takes. I think alias wavefront got it pretty good with maya, but I'm sure someone out there has it figured out.

i was suggesting a way you can minimize piracy... not get rid of it completly... yet there are some highend graphic design programs that there is NO WAY of pirating, due to the fact you needs a USB key to run the sucker... casmate i believe it the program... its about 6 grand and is used for plotting vinal graphics... anyway... i knew my portfolio felt it after MS enforced triple lock on all their software... the stock split after a while as well... i was just stating on my opinion on how to downsize pirates.. thats all... not talkin abotu world politics... or the basis of human drive being $ (REF-#10). And for non americans that just dont "get" the whole 9-11 deal... it was a day that SHowed the world how truly unsafe airlines and other things are. I myself cant imagin wantign to goto a city for vacation or something, and someone taking my life away just for a political agenda, im glad we now have to wait longer to be filtered on a plane... or what not.. humans are just so used to NOW NOW NOW... patience is not 1 of the human charistics anymore... now dont go and make this damn thread all about 9-11... please... weve had enough of those around here.

I recently bought a new DELL (faster CPU, bigger drive, more ram, DVD...) and had to go through the whole ordeal of "uninstalling" software on old system A and "installing" them on new system B.

Because the EULA states i can not have the same piece of software on both computers i've had to decide which system best suits my need for each program.

Its a "no-brainer" that PS is now on my DELL, but if this system is down for more than a couple of days, you can "sure-as-shooten" bet i'm reinstalling PS back on my old system (i'd remove it as soon as the DELL was back up and running...) because there is NO WAY i can go more than two days without work being done!!

If i had to call Adobe and "transfer" the license key each time, id be PISSED!! And this is in complete compliance with the EULA...

I ran into this EXACT scenario with my previous configuration which left me "reverting" my old system back to norm after "drivers" toasted the new sys OS...

Hopefully we can find an agreeable solution as Adobe IS making a move into protecting their software better (ver7.0.1 upgrade as case in point)

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In my experience the people with pirated PS are home-based hobbyists who get it from some place like ebay, whereas the companies, the ones who use it to make money, have the real deal. Adobe probably are just being pragmatic about it, if you absolutely had to pay for PS, lots of people at home who have 'casual' pirate copies simply wouldn't bother. So Adobe haven't lost much, nor would they gain much. Its the money making companies and freelancers who Adobe are targetting, quite successfully. I mean, PS isn't really that expensive in business terms.

Anti-Piracy techniques are the bane of my existance. I use a removable hard drive. I have my programs installed on the removable because I don't want to buy two copies of everything when one copy will suffice. If Adobe pulls a Microsoft and the serial number is based on my CPU... now I have to buy TWO copies, when I am perfectly within my rights to have the software installed on my removable drive since technically it is only in one place. Personally, I think it's BS that reducing piracy would affect the price of the software. Let's not kid ourselves... the companies want profit. Less piracy means more profit. If they lower the price, it means lower profits. Not going to happen. They may not RAISE the price.... but I wouldn't put it past them. Plus... I think the argument companies use about pirating driving up prices is silly. They really have NO statistical data on how many sales they lose to piracy. The fact of the matter is, according to articles I've read, the majority of pirating is going on overseas, where they mass produce software and re-sale it. Piracy in the states mostly takes the form of kids and college students (who wouldn't have bought it anyway because they don't have the money) downloading and cracking programs. Not that I'm condoning piracy in any way... but I just don't agree with the proganda and over-inflated statistics that the software companies are using to jack up prices and make legitimate users jump through hoops. If I wanted to jump thru hoops... I'd join a circus.

OK see this is were these company's are getting way to involved with piracy. I have 2 computers, and if I bought the program, I dont give a rats *** if the company I bought it from likes me having the program on 2 computers. Imagine your cable company telling you that you cant have more than 1 computer hooked up to the internet or cant have more than one tv hooked up at a time for that matter either. In a nutshell DMM has a great point. Only thing I wanna add is that: there comes point when a company becomes to involed with the piracy and the program itself gets hurt. Besides, all the stupid things u have to now do, or CANT DO, with a purchased program is getting retarted. I think they are pushing more and more peeps to using piracy then they are helping. DA

and the people say AMEN!

actually... with some cable and dish systems... you are limited to the amount of tvs used... .. and most ISP's they only allow 1 account(cpu) online at once...if you wanted to get technical

True enough about the dish systems... but with ISPs, you can have one account one, but multiple computers accessing it using connection sharing. I myself do this using a LinkSys router.

florida road runner was like that, but its not like they can come to your house and demand to see your network schematics... not yet at least. Just wait till they start billing by the bandwidth.

the whole piracy-raising-software-prices thing is like the piracy-raising-record-prices thing. it's a bunch of bullcrap. as anyone who wants to remembers (not the RIAA or Metallica), a CD cost $20 in 1992 just like it costs $20 now. and, i'm sorry, but no CD is worth $20. not for the 10 mediocre songs and one good one that you get on any average CD. and, actually, piracy has HELPED record sales. more bands are making more money now than they were before. why? because people can find out if they like the band or not before they buy the CD. make good music? you'll sell CDs. make a good piece of software? you'll sell copies.