It's hard to explain but basically Vue becomes sluggish and slow when moving objects or terrains around. Yet when I first open Vue everything is smooth and I can move a terrain from point A to B smoothly; but suddenly it stops behaving like that and moving anything becomes jerky and slow. There's often a 2 second delay from me trying to move an object to the object actually moving! It happens in all 4 view ports. I have over 700mb of RAM and use 64mb for the video card; I'm using update 4.12. It doesn't matter how many objects I have in scene - it happens with just one or with many, it's not an issue of large scenes slowing things down. And turning off/on OpenGL and hardware acceleration make no difference. Any help would be appreciated JoeBlack

Mac or PC? O/S?

Time to start putting finished objects on hidden layers. The display is dying because there is to much to dispay on screen. Other options is go into wire frame mode and then turn down the wire frame quality. There could be a multitude of things that are causing it. One is min swap file size if you got the room set it to 500 min no max. Must be windoz, what version?

Is your Hard drive low on disk space Joe? This would cause your exact problem. Or as Mightypete pointed out It could be the windoze swap file. If your machine was running completely ok before, and has sudenly done this, then I'd look to the hard drive.. Maybe its busy doing something else? If its not that, then try shutting down all other applications with CTRL ALT DEL.. If your running 95, 98 or ME you can disable everything EXCEPT Systray and Explorer. If its XP shut down everything that has your username next to it (with the exeption of taskmgr.exe - because thats what your using to stop the others :)) If none of these seem to be the case message me, and I'll help you further. Kutter

Have you done any playing with File:Options and the sliders on the top right for Display quality? Really weird stuff can happen with the views with various settings. I have yet to find a balance between the two, and no matter how many times I've read about them in the manual, they still confuse me. Just like you, I'll be toodling along fine in Vue. And suddenly things slow down and whatdoyaknow but my wireframes get very dense and slow. Startles me sometimes.

Check the processes that are running on your computer. When you have win2k or XP, Ctrl+Shift+Escape and select the tab named 'processes'. Click on the column header named 'CPU' to sort this column and check which process is using the most processor cycles. It could be that it's not Vue d'Esprit that is causing your problems...

Yes, I agree with 'abirdonawire' .. that's why I wanted to know what O/S you use. I have had this exact problem zillion times and every single time it was Windows (explorer, in my case) doing something else in the background. Only if I could use a Sledge Hammer on Windows without breaking my computer!!! :-)

I run WIN2K and have the EXACT same problem. It is not APPS running in the background. Or ANY of the other things people have mentioned. (And for GODSAKE, DO NOT shut EVERYTHING down as one person suggested. There are some important system threads running that you want to leave alone. Make sure you know what you're shutting down before you do it.)

I've tried it all. The problem is particularly apparent after importing ANY Poser animation. (see my previous post) What I discovered was that closing the timeline (yes, the timeline) makes a huge difference. (I know, a lot of good that does when you're trying to animate something.) Also sometimes maximizing the main window, moving something around you will notice it is smoother, than restore the main window and it works better.

Best of luck!

-Tim

It's no problem to shut programs down like Kutter mentioned, actually it's a good advice. It's one way of trying to isolate the problem which is a VERY important aspect of trying figure out where to look. I do agree that he has to be careful WHAT to shut down, but then again, one should always have some knowledge about computers if we try to solve difficult problems like this. Don't give JoeBlack the impression that his whole computer will be a mess if tries to shut down applications like a firewall, virus scanner,backup software, messengers, etc, because there is really no need for that.

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Here I posted this link before round here. But you can looky em all up and decide if you need them or not and get rid if em if not needed. I think this is a typical hit and run post. Guys got a problem posts his question them vanishes leaving everyone to try to figure out what operating system he's running. People do that here all the time. They want help but are lacking in vital details and even when and if they finally give you them they very rarely tell you what worked and what didn't so next time your in the same boat. Actually you never even know if anything worked or did it actually get fixed. I'd say forget this post till he comes back and gives some details.

Bird: But the poster said to shut "EVERYTHING" except task manager. Obvsiouly this completely incorrect and "dangerous" advice. If the person is a total computer newbie, he will literally shut everything down, and this would be very bad. Also, I'm just referring to my experience ... none of these mentioned "solutions" has a thing to do with the problem and do not work for me. Vue is getting 100% of the processor when I'm moving things. Pete: I know exactly what you're talkign about it, seen it many a time. But it's been oly about 24 hours, so let's give him the benefit of the doubt. He needs time to try some of these suggestions out. :) -Tim

Tim, about the shutting down programs, If you look carefully Kutter mentioned about "95/98/me" only. And in those you can actually shut everything except explorer. :-) However, it's not the case for W2K or XP ... they need to keep so many files in memory for their 'smartass' kernel. And agree with MightyPete. However, whether the originator of this post shows up or not, I would love to know a proper solution for it. Pete, thanks for the link, lots of unrecognized files are now clear. But, my case the explorer itself gets VERY busy and takes up 100% of CPU. And I might have just opend Vue or just clicked on it or sometimes some other programs. It's definitely not Vue I'm certain of that. But hoping you guys might have some solutions. My case, it's XP in P4 1.4GHz 640 RDRam 64 MB video memory (AGP2).

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My personal experiances with the borg. I fix lots of computers. My method is if I don't use it, need it or want it it's gone. Holy Cr*p puter runs just fine then. I never have yet had a client come back to me and say hey what the **** did you do to my puter it runs like ****. Not once ever, it's never happened. Most people cannot believe the difference actually. Imagine 3 gig machines running at that speed on your projects only. Explorer jumping up to 100% starting applications I'd expect have to do with: Active desktop. You know turn your puter into the web so it's faster just incase you want to see a cool icon. History. Must remember all of that don't kown what for though. Memory managment remember all that stuff has to be dumped to disk to make room. Cookies so it can send you spam ads for paying competition. Spooling the operating system to a backup just incase. Collect and save data for next crash report to send off to redmond. Must check MSN see if the spam ads showed up yet. Get that eye candy running even though black and white would do. Finally get that poor Vue app running so the human can play. that's ok we the borg will run in the background making it difficult for the human to succeed. Get the idea? I found turning off reporting, forbiding active cr#p,removing IE or killing it. Mozilla is a real browser(free). Deleting Lookout. Turning off restore. Use CD to back up your data instead. Recover that wasted space. Tell it it's a network machine or hack it so it thinks it's a Nasa computer. Set the cpu priority to 1 for active app. That's a hard one for some. It says you know what your doing and you generally use 1 app at a time. You know you can have 50 running but the one in focus gets the processor if it needs it. Scan for spy ware and remove it. Oh and use that above link to find and disable (the one way up not this one on this message.) Find Micronots spyware and kill it. Spyware remove programs don't remove it. It has something to do with quality agent. Hey the price of this software it's should not be beta. Oh Did I forget, remove MSN. Oh for your information found a program MemMonster. Cool thing about it is it's task manager. Micronots reports 12 things running on this puter right now. MemMonster reports 16. Keep that in mind. Some thing they don't what you to know about are hidden. Good place to hide viruses and key loggers. Oh and close all those open ports on your puter so I can't render my pictures on your puter while your out and send Bill more spam mail. Move along folks ther is nothing here to see....

LOL ... I just had to laugh cuz the way you wrote it. Thanks for the link, great one. I do have few questions. How do I set the CPU priority? And for spams I use a software called "AdAware", does a pertty good job I think. But, I never hard of Micronots. How do I 'kill' them? MemMonster? One more Question. :-) I've been searching for a website/webpage that explains/teaches about Ports .. in english, not in gibrish! Do you have such link in your pocket? Activating the firewall and closing the open ports are not the same, right? And will it hurt the home network in anyhow?

Pete, two more Questions. :-) Is there a site where I can look into the matters and solutions of Error Logs/Event IDs (in Event Viewer)? How do I (or can I) update the certificates? My back up hard drive's sys file (atapi.sys) causing some trouble lately and when I try to get to the source it tells me to update the certificate!

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Two things I forgot to say. Dual channel DMA for your hard drives. Make sure it's turned on It's in the system part of the control panel. Right click on the hard drives and look at properties. Even the device driver part. Somewhere there you see dma? Both chanels? Turn that on that right there will speed yur hard drives up by 2 X. Min swap file also set to some large number for min like 500 which is a half a gig if you got room. Closing ports. Well Micronot does not so go get a real firewall like zone alarm.Does it work on a home network? Of course but you have to set it up. Easy really. You put it on the web machine. Didn't you read that link I posted. It's there somewhere at the bottom. Complete with link. I'd say forget certificats. What some driver expired? I guess you'd have to update it then. It's no big deal and has more to do with paying cash to micronot than actually saying a driver works properly. Best place to find info is. Google Links to fix almost anything and hack the rest. http://members.aol.com/axcel216/

Attached Link: http://www.everythingisnt.com/hosts.html

Oh one more great place. Expecally now. I've used new puters. I'll tell ya it's almost imposible to serf the web now with all the popups. BTW Mozilla can block them and this here is even better for speeding up serfing. See people drop off machines and say it busted and leave. I got to serf the web some times on there machine to download fixes. Sucks on IE with all the ad spam.

Thanks for your advices. It was great help. It very hard to find you here anymore. :-) Hope to see you in forum more often. Lots of questions pops up now and then. :-) Regards.

Ports 101 a very brief discription why there are important and what you don't know can hurt you. It might not be perfect but you should get the idea. Every computer connected to the web has a IP address or there is no way of knowing where to send the data. The personal phone number so to speak of every machine. It can change depending on your connection type. Say it's 63.05.20.200 That's easy now where in the puter to send the data. The web html uses port 80 and it's sent like this. 63.05.20.200:80 Easy ay? Now just think every single computer has 65535 ports from port 1 all the way up to port 65535. Easy? Now FTP generally connects port 21 and there is tons of others but remember you can connect port 21 ftp then go to port 3600 to tranfer files if that's the way the guy sets up his ftp server. See a problem? Say I ping your puter port 1428 by using the command ping 63.05.20.200:1428 Your puter returns the ping. Hey a live one ready for harvesting. It's that easy to hack into somebodys puter. That's a easy as it gets and that's why kids seem to do it with no knowledge what so ever. Hmmm I coud now send a small program to your now open port that I know about that could ping endlessly some victim on the web say redmond. If I get enough of these open ports around the web I could kick redmond off the web actually. It would be so busy returning pings that the computer will die under the load. Open ports, Good, bad? Well you need them open to serf the web for one the trick is to only open them when you need them and only connect to puters that you want to reguardless of all the traffic trying to connect or find open ports on your connection. You'd think something as important as this would be closed by default but are not. A firewall does that. It does not close ports it plays dead. Somebody pings you on some open port and the firewall simply does not return the ping. Is there a computer there or not? With a good firewall it's impossible to tell. You can right a small script ping'em all start port 1 and go to 65535 and if live report ip to 63.05.20.200:21 If none found add 1 to ip and search again idea. If you have a firewall you'll see this kind of activity all the time on your logs. So you need a firewall. The XP firewall excuse does not close all open ports. Why? Good question. Redmond has a back door into your puter. port 1428 was a port redmond left open and was used to try to kill the web DNS lookup with billions and billions of requests. Found Open 1428 ports where instructed to ask for dns lookup information in a endless loop and find more open 1428 ports ont the web. In about 6 hours the web almost crashed under the load. See that link I sent you down at the bottom about leak test. It's on the web and test some of the more common open ports and a program there can test all of them for you all 65535 of em. Now why would microsoft leave open ports? That 1428 almost crashed the entire web. There idiots actually. They're brain dead to leave them open. That port left open was for internal messages trew MSN I believe. Admin messages. Well you leave it open, you take your chances. You can leave it open but a firewall should block attempts to try to connect to it. Microstiffs sive of a firewall does not but in all fairness thy have plugged that hole. only 65534 to go. Get the idea now? Oh and I did say you can change the port on the fly. send to port 80 but then change to port 4000 ICQ's connect port. If you don't run a firewall well it's no wonder your puter is so slow. You have millions of people using it along with you. The way in. Send spam email and when there open a closed port and start spamming the web. Get the idea? Your rendering away and your puter is starting WWW4. Best to play dead on the web and run a real firewall like ZoneAlarm. At least if you recieve such a e-mail message you'll know the second that port is opened who opened it and if you want to prevent that program from doing so. The harm is from the inside. It's not the big bad web it's stuff on your computer doing things without your knowledge or consent that's bad. They arrive in e-mail or in programs you download and buy like XP. Without a firewall your a sitting duck with 65535 ports ready to be exploited. Now it's not that bad if your on dial up but it's almost the same. Your IP changes every time you connect do it's harder to get a fix on it. But you can always just e-mail em. These puters are not a good choice though high speed always on connections are what there looking for. Hmmm Look how fast you could render with a few million puters doing the work!

Attached Link: http://grc.com/lt/leaktest.htm

Woops this link didn't stick.

hmm! now that you say, it sounds really bad! :-) I thought the anti-virus softwares come with some sort of firewalls. As you can see my knowledge about TCP/IP is close to zero, but I think I got the idea how this works. Will look into the firewall first thing tonight. Many thanks.

I forgot to say you don't have to buy anything. The free version of zonealarm works just fine and actually it's the one I use. Norton may come with a firewall but it's so industrial it's a waste(IMHO). If you don't understand it completely well you could goof up it's setting easily I might add. You think you have it covered but you do not. Good place to start is just test for leaks. Got any? Well then you need a firewall. Firewalls should be almost silent. Who cares if somebody is trying to connect just block em and don't bother me. Norton likes to tell you. In the big 1428 spew I was getting hundreds of attemps per day just on that one port. I don't even keep a log. I could care less. It works and that's all I need. It asks first time when you start a program if it can get on the web You approve it once or all the time so it don't ask again. If you don't know what that program does better search google for it. If you only need it once well approve it once. If it tries to connect again it will ask again. If file explorer tries getting on the web. Well now why would it need to do that? Look for a file? I block it. Oh and once you got it going note how many attempts are made to connect to your puter in the first 24 hours of using it. Both ways. It's a eye opener. Just remember without a firewall they connected and then can do anything you can do if they can connect. MemMonster. Well just my example there is tons of task managers out there completly free that work as well. What you want is a complete list of what is running and to be able to kill each and everyone of those processes. There is actually better free ones around some let you change the cpu priority on the fly for any and all apps.

There's two ways. In and Out. XP firewalls block incoming but not outgoing. BUT you only have to worry about blocking outgoing if you don't run a virus checker on email or don't run a pop-up blocker. If you don't let a trojan install or virus get you you're okay with XP's firewall. That grc guy goes waaaaaay overboard in scaring everybody. According to the rfc's your machines ports are supposed to respond to pings and not be in stealth mode. But XP's firewall will put you in stealth mode which is fine. I don't know what you're running. Just don't panic. Get a firewall. If you're on XP you have one already just enable it. Be a little careful with ZoneAlarm...it's great, but it hooks into everything. Run a virus checker on your mail. And to stop popups something as simple as Proxomitron (a proxy server) can do it for you with no muss. I'm sorry, no links. T-storms on the way so I'm outa here. But Google is your friend. I highly recommend Proxomitron. It's free and brilliant.

Well outgoing not blocking it is just as bad. Just think send new trojan A new one that nobody like Norton knows about like the 1428 explote. See the problem? I find the danger lerks within personally. From personal experiance I've had way more software on my box trying to get on the web than I care to mention. Like file explorer ! Why? so you can fill up my puter with ads? Zone alarm does not really hook into anything it just handles all the ports. Everything goes threw it or it don't get on the web. Ya that GRC site. take it with a grain of salt. The guy is paranoid. But given time any open port is just waiting for the next script to be written to exploit it. Ya lets not block outgoing. It makes total sence. That's how the 1428 exploit got going and that's why this is flawed logic.

Ok, the last two msg sounds very close to gibrish, so I'll pretend I never read them! :-)

Well I try to explain Incoming: somebody on the web trying to connect to your computer. Outgoing: your computer trying to connect to someone on the web. What to block what to allow. Allow nothing block it all If you use a program and it truly needs to get on the web you can allow it, things like ICQ you can allow it both ways. You can even tell it that it's a server so it will not bother you anymore. By not blocking outgoing your just waiting for the next exploit. I send you a trogan and you run it. I have it set to get on the web and download all it's buddie viruses and upload the key logger log I also installed at the same time... See not blocking outgoing is a great idea now isn't it? That's not a firewall it's a pothole. A small speed bump along the way of me owning your computer. But first thing is to test for leaks. Go to that site download the little program and run it. If you have leaks plug them with zone alarm. Look ma no bumps!

LOL ... now this is english! I'm on it, hopefully clear out all the bumps in no time. yay! ma! no bumps!!!