oh the hair is not done yet by the way so thats postworked on right now.

That's a quick injection and pose with some of the muscle morphs injected. I wouldn't put all of them in, but I don't see any "splitting" anywhere. What are you talking about Mesh? Marque

Mesh that is exactly what a muscular guy looks like, mike3 is just a vicky with a few add ons , not a man at all, poor pecs, overly done traps, i'm very disappointed. turn all the dials you want the face is basically always the same.

I see advantages and disadvantages to both models. We don't all have the same tastes. As for myself, I found it difficult to get Michael 2 to look young, sensitive, and slim, a look that I prefer in men. Michael 2 was too "buff". I am not a fan of muscular men, so I am elated with Michael 3. And I'm sure there are many others who will agree. 8-)

Yes thereis a cut at his nose but no map for it yet, sorry. Marque

"Massiveness" is not the be-all and end-all of the human form. It will be nice for people to be able to create a broader range of character types by using M2 and M3. DAZ made it clear some time ago that the M3 base would have a slimmer, runner-like physique. To complain about this as if DAZ should have made M3 look like some bodybuilding champion is absurd IMHO. We got exactly what we were led to expect, nothing less. If anything, the mesh is superior to what I was expecting. I think it's silly to complain about a complex character mesh like this the day after it was released. We haven't had ample time to explore the possibilities. But then, immediate complaints from certain quaters were accurately predicted among certain amused observers. :-) I tried doing some animations (using .bvh files) with M3 last night and was just blown away by the fluidity, accuracy, and general high quality of the figure's movements. Amazing, more successful than any other model I've ever used with .bvh files. I have some files that have never worked correctly with any model without major adjustments. Almost none at all needed with M3. The infamous super-hunched shoulders thing never happened. Very little collision trouble. And again, once the animations were fully rendered, the results impressed the heck out of me. Thank you DAZ for all the hard work you put into this remarkable model. It is really something. We're fortunate to be able to aquire something of this very high level quality at relatively low cost.

Yes, thanks Daz for not only creating the high quality models but also keeping the prices reasonable. Marque

xo, if you have the resources to post a small sample of your animation somewhere, that would be WAY cool! I'd love to see it 8-)

I think he's pretty hunky. 8-)

I think one reason why they like unrealistic shapes (Macho-man Mike, Nude Vickie in Temple with Sword) is that these shapes are rare in real life, and represent the opposite of the respective normal body types. So it's a form of escape from the real world to manipulate those atypical forms in Poser. It may also be one reason why 3D snobs and "artistes" hate Poser: they see M-M-M and NVITWS renders and say "How juvenile and unrealistic!". I like what Poser can do, and I think it would raise Poser's esteem in the eyes of 3D snobs and "artistes" if people would consider doing renders of normal body types.

sorry guys , i don't have vicky3 so all this is new to me, can i save a face file same as always

Hmmmm ... yes, I believe you can save the face file same as always. However, if you want to use it later on, on another Mike character, you will also have to first inject the same morphs again. Alternatively, you can create a pose file that does the morph and the injections at the same time. There is a utility that will help you do that, or you can do it manually (something that I am not familiar with doing). If I'm wrong here, somebody jump in! LOL

I don't understand why anyone would expect that M3 would just duplicate what M2 could do quite well. The M3 that I bought (and really like) can do a LOT of things that M2 cannot do no matter how you twist his dials (or even with magnets and external morphs) so now I have ANOTHER great male figure to work with. So I'm really greatful that DAZ did NOT make a M2 clone with a few added goodies, but gave me a WHOLE NEW FIGURE to work with. Anybody who thinks that all muscle guys should look alike has either never been to a real gym or has no conception of how human physiology works. I guess some people are just so starved for attention that they have to make rediculous comparisons in order to show us (for the umpteenth time) what a guy looks like with seaweed on his chest. No wonder he looks so pained (or is that just constipation?).

I'm elated that Mike3 is less bulky than Mike2. Sometimes you need a pretty boy and not some big ole gym jock.

Tryig to figure out why mike looks like crap morphed up like that...

Dirk that looks good but the delts and shoulders are just not working, And he is no where near as massive as mike 2.0

Lyrra I think your right on this issue too, Iv seen some interesting characters made with Mike 3.

Sign me up for the 'women that prefer non-bulky men' club. I find great big giant bulging muscles seriously distasteful. I love variety and that's what M3 offers. He can be slim, he can have muscle, it's all good. :)

Add me to the growing club of " women that prefer non-bulky me" club. I think M2 is soooooooooooo cool but then again I will never give up M2 either :)

Oh I know mesh, he doesn't compare at all, mike2 and boris still are the top of the line, this guy is good for pretty boys that's about it...starting to like him though, like somebody above said more variety. Mike 3 can be the calvin klein model type and mike2 can be the muscle head, that's cool

Sorry, I meant I think M3 is so cool. I do love M2 but M3 gives me the slim line with a little muscle.

Can't count how many times I've done renders of M2 and had to make him "less massive" in order to make him look like an everyday man! Then again, I'm not into the huge massive types, but prefer the male body to look more like the "guy next door"... maybe one who works the bench press to keep in shape... biceps that flex while he's trimming the hedge or playing catch with the kids. I haven't had the chance to try out M3 yet but am looking forward to finding out if I can achieve that sort of look! Brynna, wishing she was off work today

just a thought mike3 would be great for goth characters, not real into that but i do like to look at the pics

Brynna when you do that post a pic and let us know, i have to play with the dials more, lean muscle like you said and not bulk, called a swimmers build, if you accomplish that before i do fill me in on how you did it

Mike 3 can be the calvin klein model type And THAT is why I think he is way cool. The fashion options for this guy will be phenomenal. 8-)

Dirk, will do. Have some of my own M2 morphs; going to work on recreating in M3 and see what I can come up with. Definitely masculine and eye candy for the ladies (or men that are so inclined). :) Brynna, anxious for her shift to end at 10:00 pm cst

looking forward to that, your shift will be over before you know it :)

I like lithe, muscular men. Not hulks, mind you. But not skinny boys, either. I have tried and tried to get M3's body to recreate the look I like, and cannot for the life of me do it. The abs in particular look shoddy to me. And when I try to make him slim through the torso and hips AND use the muscularity as I like, it just doesn't look right. Some people may like M3 better, but for my purposes, his body pretty much useless.

Mike 3 needs work, I think He can be made to please us all in time. But at the moment he's going to be good for petite none masculin men and boys. I think he makes great oriental male figures.

Maybe if we have Mike 2 smack him around a little bit he can get buff like mike. That means using the mike3 to mike 2 figure.