I have looked everywhere, I can not find the list of Video cards they suggest....for Vue Pro...where can I find this? Sharen PS; thanks for your help

I have looked and can not find the list either. :o) I would like to see the list that will support Open GL for Vue Pro.

sharon lo m8 i use the navidia gforce3 4 titanium 4600 and it works superb as before i used the same card in vue 4 and could never ever use the open gl so im a happy bunny in this respect seeklight

Maybe we should create a list of Vue Pro compatible cards similar to the list done for Vue 4. I have Geforce 4 Ti4200 and OpenGL works great (never worked in Vue 4).

Dave

Okay, mine is Rage ADP 128 Pro Ultra, works in both Vue 4 and Vue Pro. But Vue Pro said it wouldn't but it does work great, no crashes. That is why I wanted to know, I wanted to upgrade to the one they consider best. Sharen

Sharen do you mean Open Gl works with both Vue and Vue pro with your Rage viedo card. I am using a Nividia Geforce2 MX 100/200 and Open GL Does not work with mine using Vue 4. This is a low end card so I didn't exspect much from it. I would like to buy a card that will work with Open Gl in Vue 4 and also Vue Pro. :o) Good idea for listing various cards that will work with Open Gl.

yes, Vue 4 (version 4.2) works with my low end card and so does Vue Pro. I knew my card was not so great, but I want to get the best, but do not know what one to ask for. I think it is very curious that some cards work with Vue 4 and not Vue Pro and more curious that some cards work with Vue Pro and not Vue 4. So, what card do we use for the best possible performance? Sharen

Sharen; The list I referred to is the internal hardware identifier list in VuePro itself (nothing but a table of hex identifiers that the video card bios provides to identify itself and its features to the computer...or any application that asks). E-on has apparently taken the conservative route, and only included cards they could get their hands on for actual tests in the list, or those cards that are known compatible with their older versions. And the apparent fondness each program has for certain cards is hardly unusual. Vue 4 is an evolutionary product, whereas VuePro is a departure that looks like its cousin. There are apparently major differences in the programs, probably the biggest is that Vue4's Open GL compatibility was coded for a much older implementation of OpenGL. That 'standard' has changed about as much as Direct X has, with the major recent pothole in the road being the hardware shader technologies. There was major rewriting required to implement those; they weren't simply 'bolt on' API calls, and that did change how a card accepted GL commands...and what happened when a program that expected the vertex and pixel shaders to be there in some form found they weren't supported. I'd have to have a long look, but I would bet you could track part of it to the GL version number, and the rest to whatever tomfoolery the video drivers are getting into....

hmmmm, okay, but does anyone know maybe an example of what one should look for, for the best possible use in Vue Pro? Sharen

Oh I'm going to have to sort out this posting of links :) Anyway in the meantime... e_on posted this in a thread called "Vue pro fist impression" on 9/26/03 ----- What I'd recommend is that you give OpenGL a try with your existing board. You may be lucky enough that it'll work. What board is it, BTW? If it doesn't, then I'd get a Quadro board if that's an option. The MX versions are quite good and not "too" expensive. Thanks for the kind words! Steve. ------------ Hope this helps

It helps, I also was told I should get the GEForce 256 MB 5600, what do you think...Sharen

Sam thats what i have. I found at first I had no joy, I switched Open GL off in Pro as it was so slow, today I got the latest Nvidia drivers off a 3d site and it has fixed the issue. But if you want tip top performance go for an medium level workstation card. Even though on paper they might look less powerful and more expensive than soem gmaing cards, from what I have read they are properly optimised for these tasks, which are not so important for gaming cards. I saw some on Ebay today actually...

Oh, forgot to say, the FX was recommended to me to. TRHough in fact the guy said I might be as well and keep my geforce 3.....but gmaing reviews of the fx5600 are pretty bad from what i have seen. But seems to working fine for me. :)

And you are happy with what you have? What do you have? Sharen

I have the Gefx5600 256ddr, with the new drivers it is working very well both in Vue and 3dmax. Not that much faster than my Geforce3, but that was a top end version when I bought it a few years ago. I say hesitantly that if you are going to shell out a lot, don't get the latest gaming card, get a specific workstation one. It might not test as well in something like 3dmark but it will work a lot better with apps...I think. Maybe someone with one of the medium workstation cards can weigh in?

I have ATI Radeon 9000 on my main computer (XP Pro) and it works perfectly with both Esprit and Pro, and it's really fast too considering it's a cheap card. On the other computer (Win2000) I have an Asus GeForce 2 and I have to say that it used to give me many problems with Esprit's Open GL in the past. Recently, after a full update of BIOS and Graphic Driver, and a complete reinstall, it works better, although if I had to buy another graphic card and had to choose between the two, I'd buy another Radeon for sure. I used to have a Matrox also for a little time and it worked sell too. Can't remmember which model though. - Orio

I'd say that any GeForce4 TI or ATI Radeon 9000 or better in both arenas should be up to snuff. Just be sure to use the latest BIOS (if applicable) and drivers. This will make a big difference as both of these are there to fix bugs, increase performance, and bring the features upto newest standards that it can handle. Mine is a GeForce4 TI 4600 and no problems in OpenGL with Vue 4, Vue Pro, or any other 3D application that uses it.

I have an ATI All in WOnder 9700 Pro, which seemed to work fine with VuePro for awhile anyway. After using it for about an hour, it crashed and burned with interface errors, so I'm not sure if that's the OpenGL or the program itself. I do have older drivers installed, rather than the latest from ATI, so don't know if that is the cause of the crashes.

I could run OpenGL in Esprit, but it was very sluggish.

ShadowWind

That's weird I have an nvidia geforce ti4600 and opengl will not work correctly with it. I have to use the newest drivers so going back to old ones won't work. What have you guys done to make it work???? Thanks, Marque

I didn't do anything. ;) How does the OpenGL work on other 3D apps, Marque?

Sharen,

Some 3D software manufacturers - for whatever reasons - claim that their application is compatible only with a limited list of OpenGL graphic board. Sometimes one OpenGL board is listed, while another from the same brand using the same GPU but with a different extension ("pro", "ultra", etc) is not. This is nonsense. The hardware (or software) is either OpenGL compliant or it is not.

OpenGL is a standard multiplatform graphic application programming interface. There's nothing mysterious about this API: if the hardware and the software support it, then it works!

Millions of kids are playing games with extremely advanced OpenGL real-time rendering engine. Do you think that they hunt the net to know which board to buy or download drivers over and over again because they can't see the ugly monsters correctly? I don't think so. Most of them don't even know what is "OpenGL". Yet, these games use the same core real-time display technology as the one implemented in your favourite 3D application.

The question is not "which OpenGL graphic board works correctly with VUE?" but "does VUE supports OpenGL?" and "does the graphic board supports OpenGL?". The second question is easy to answer: almost all popular graphic boards released in the last 2 years (ATI RADEON, Nvidia GeForce, Nvidia FX, etc...), whatever their model (ti, pro, MX, ultra, 9000, 4600, etc...) or their price (a cheap $40 64 MB GeForce4 MX runs OpenGL applications perfectly).

I have a list of OpenGL benchmarks for hundreds of different graphic boards, some are running faster than others, but none are "not working". If they can run the benchmark, then they are ENTIRELY compatible with the OpenGL standard and, consequently, with your OpenGL 3D application.

If you want a list of certified OpenGL 3D graphic boards, the only place to search is www.opengl.org (http://www.opengl.org/users/apps_hardware/accelerators.html). You'll find all the famous brand (3Dlabs, ATI, Nvidia, etc...). The boards produced by these companies are all OpenGL API-compliant hardware and include drivers that follow strictly the OpenGL specification.

At the same website you can also download dozens of utilities and freeware applications (soft body dynamic simulation, fluid dynamic simulation, virtual solar system, etc...) to test your 3D graphic board.

To summarize: get the OpenGL graphic board you can afford. All should (must) work with VUE PRO. Don't waste your money on the latest ones as they include features not implemented in VUE 4 or VUE PRO (such as volume rendering, real time reflections and transparencies, multi-layered mapping, etc). I would go for a 128 MB or 256 MB board from ATI or Nvidia.

:) Eric

Opengl works without a hitch on everything except the Vue 4.2 I can use it if I go to preferences and deactivate the opengl. Wondering why they only went to 4.2 and then jumped to a new "pro" version, leaving those of us who are still having problems in the dust. Marque

audity, Oh my thank you so much for this information...this really really helps. Sharen