Attached Link: Get your lung cancer here!

TerraDreamer, interesting input...but, you see, this is the thing...some people may get upset about the item you refer to, for example, I'm a nurse, I see first hand the tragic negative effects of smoking on people's lives, not to mention the adverse effects of that other legal drug alcohol...Then, some people may get upset about all the weaponry and military hardware props here - and again some will get upset about the leather and skimpy outfits that are available...BUT ~ I would not for one minute suggest that any of the items available in the marketplace here were the cause of people taking up smoking, illegal gun use, S&M or the practice of denigating and regarding women are merely sex-objects, would you? What is your point with this post and what do you suggest be done?

Lead by example.

sorry "denigating" should read denigrating...my bad...

Lead what and who? People live their own lives the way they choose. Why do you think what Renderosity allows in the marketplace will make one iota of difference when graphiic government health warnings don't?

If some people smoke is only their problem and not everybody believes the cancer paranoia and fraudulent statistics!

Those poses may come in handy for someone that's making anti-smoking propaganda... ya know, the before and after? It's all in how you look at it.

That product is within our TOS.

How will you do film noir scenes without cigarettes? Will you ban bottles and barstools to discourage drinking? I'm a non-smoker who hates the smell of others' smoke when I'm not far enough into the non-smoking area, but this is putting-pantaloons-on-chair-legs puritanism.

I wouldn't worry about anyone taking up smoking, drinking, or (LOL) S&M, just because they see an image or a product here at Renderosity. If that happened, trust me, there are much deeper issues than just seeing it here. Leading by example should be done, or have been done by parents. The lemming mentality that pervades society nowdays is reaching ridiculous levels. (buy this SUV and you'll be unstoppable on the roads - whoops, is that ice!?)If someone takes up a self-destructive behavior based soley on am image they see, well, perhaps it's nature's way of throwing a little chlorine into the gene pool.

A cigarette? Can't see that it's anything like the cornerstone of depravity that's being claimed. Now, if she'd been smoking it out of her p*ssy...

not a smoker...actually wont allow it in my house wont allow it around me etc..BUT smoking as I have learned the hard way has had a place in our history as well as in current society consequently art. there is a need for those poses for those that find it attractive or as an everyday activity{ok so that particular pose that shows in the link I just can not see in an everyday setting but..}I looked recently for a cigarette holder the long kind for a dragon lady picture of the stereotypical type with the "china dress in red long cig holder and long talon like nails" it was a given that it would be part of the picture. ~chuckles~ I wonder though if a skin texture will come out to show the effects of such smoking lol. with the deep lines around the lips the slight yellowing the skin of the face having less elasticiy...not to mentioning ageing abit more then normal...hmmm not nearly as attractive to think about{can not help but think of kramer off of sinfield when he had that smoking room}

Oh lordy, not another one. "oooh, that's bad for you, people shouldn't do that, it's not healthy." wah wah wah, boo hoo hoo. Poor baby, somebody made smoking poses and now the world is going to come to an end. GET A GRIP. Sheesh. Kate (going off to get a cup of coffee to go with her morning cigarette)

I have cigaretts available for download as well get em here http://www.members.shaw.ca/odeathoflife/downloads.htm and while I am not a pot smoker I have pot and parenphinallia for poser...get them here(note the zip name) http://www.members.shaw.ca/odeathoflife1/ I do nto think that there is one person who is going to see this stuff and say "ohhhh I think I am going to start smoking"

Maybe they could add a warning, like the surgeon general. "Renderosity advises you that cigarettes will turn your teeth yellow and set your couch on fire when you fall asleep watching Letterman".

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"Now, if she'd been smoking it out of her p*ssy.." You shouldnt have said that - I'm sure that pose will be showing up in the RMP or freestuff soon ;-) And we'll read all about it here how offensive that is, and then we'll go into whether it's the genitals or the cigarettes that violate TOS, and we'll also throw in a few comments about how nudity is normal. is this the therad where I don't mention it was real easy to quit ? ;-) 'minky - long time no see! 'ow's you ? ~S

I don't smoke, but I think those poses are sexy! Let's ban them!! Ban them all, all those nudies and those fighting poses and those everyday poses and and and... phew Exhausting. Sheesh.

omg this is to much So now Renderosity is promoting lung cancer? get a grip dude

ooooooh a new tradition! naked vickies in the temple with .............................cigarettes! ohh I am so sorry I had to I just couldnt resist..>.< that will then cover the subsequent topics of... nudity and morality poser art that is all the same topic weapons and how they are bad for you..er cigarettes. sterotypical naked vicky pictures and need for new topics. sexuality and poser adult porn vs. erotic art phalic symbols in art vs. no really it really was just a BIG sword. please now prepare your posts ahead of time to save on time posting....~chuckles~ ohh come on you can see it happening cant you?

oh and Katetheshrew..it is not whether good or bad for you, it is like most things a personal choice. I personally do not like the smell nor taste of them. that is -my-personal reason for not liking them. I after all can only make a choice for myself and what I have around me. :)

Actually smokers make the choice for you. Second hand smoke is a health risk greater for the audience than for the smoker. Ask me how I know, child of two parents who smoked. One is dead from a stroke. The other has severe respiratory disease and macular degeneration. In their day, they got started because no one knew any better. I don't know what the excuse is now....I'm guessing ignorance or arrogance but that's not for me to decide. I just get to suffer the results of an addiction I didn't choose. Thank you very much. As for the poses? I don't care if they are up there or not. They aren't sexy or interesting to me....if you want phallic symbols, add the oxygen tank she's going to need in a few years when her lungs stop functioning properly. Anyone dumb enough to take up smoking because of a pose, deserves the fate they get.

dailyn you do have a point on that about second hand smoke. but either way a smoker lighting up is their choice. I can not stop them but I can make a choice of not having it around me. ~shrugs abit~ either way, I dont think anyone is going to start smoking because of this set of poses just like I dont think anyone is going to go and take a whip in hand because of a lightly bdsm picture that dipicts an erotic situation. just like I dont think that a nake woman is going to perver the minds of the viewers.

The smoker lighting up is their choice....but I can't always make the choice of not breathing in the smoke. I do think art influences people. Why do you think there are so many smokers? It is portrayed as very cool, and hip, and sexy by glamourous people in the world of the arts (movies, television, advertisements, graphic representations). They wouldn't put my mother in an ad for cigarettes (she's not a pretty sight these days). Look how people rush out to buy new clothes or get a new hairdo or drive the latest ego machine because someone fashionable appears in it. Yes, people get influenced to behavior. By art, by movies, by television, by advertising, by media...human are very susceptible to suggestion and are generally lemmings when it comes to following a fad or fashion...especially if they see someone attractive engaged in the behavior. And I think when we make behavior glamourous, we are telling other people we approve of it and we think it is something that should be indulged in. We are giving our message to the universe that this is how we think people should be treated and how we want to be treated. We have a choice to whether or not to glamourize smoking, substance abuse, the abuse of women, anorexia....and our society has (as far as I can tell) chosen to tell its children these are all good things by making it all look pretty. The reality isn't so pretty. But we don't want no stinkin' reality around here. Yes, we make choices. And each choice we makes tells something about ourselves. I'm just tired of having smoke blown in my face. And, yes, this is something I don't have a sense of humor about. It isn't funny, really. It's very sad.

Just shaking my head in disbelief

Spinner! I'mma doin jest fine. I just can't believe we are discussing whether or not Vicky/Mike will get lung disease from smoking a cigarette. Takes all kinds, doesn't it?

I've got no problem with non-smokers. In fact, I'm usually pretty considerate about the whole thing. What I have a problem with is people who try to make choices for me. I have a problem with people who are constantly at me to quit. Believe it or not, I did quit. And I found during that time that I actually LIKE the smell of cigarette smoke, and cigar smoke and pipe tobacco. And I hate the smell of most perfumes, they make my head hurt, but I would never dream of telling someone NOT to wear perfume. I would simply choose not to be around that person. And personally, I think people who buy this or that or adopt this or that habit because of the glamorous advertising are basically idiots in the first place. It wasn't advertising that got me started as a smoker. It was peer pressure. But heck, what do any of us know at 16? Kate (who is now hoping that she DOES get some sort of nasty terminal cancer cuz she's just plain tired of living and too chicken for suicide)

Kate...never wish that upon yourself! (even if you are only joking, which I sure hope you are) It is not pleasant, not at all...one thing that is certain for all of us is that at the end of life, there is death ~ oh yeah, and taxes) For some it will come sooner than for others, hell I could get hit by a falling branch tomorrow...but it will come. So let's not rush it!
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I smoke so I have a bias. But really, what's the big deal about a character smoking? If she was sticking it up her ass it would probably be considerd "artistic" and thus protected by an "artist's freedom of expression."

Geee whiz! This is a way kool thread...the Original Person who Posted the concern hasn't got a Gallery...so, I can't check to see if there are any "smoking Related Issues" ...like a Smokey Exhaust or a Flatulent Cow. I have actually been trying to get in touch with PunkClown...He seems to get dragged into this thread.... "PunkClown ...give Me the latest Track Conditions for the Melbourne Cup Please." Hugz :]

Let me get this straight: Someone is offended because a digital construct is posed with a rendition of what appears to be a depiction of a perfectly legal habit, and wants a change to the TOS do disallow that depiction of reality? How do we even know the model is smoking? It could just be a prop.... It just goes to prove that if you start caving in to the hysterical, it just gets more and more ridiculous. Geeze, KNIVES kill people, and so do SWORDS. Oh and GUNS, lets disallow ALL of those so the few with "delicate sensibilities" won't be offended. Shee...yeah.

Gambling is a Serious Habit too....will somebody Please give Me the Track Conditions for the Melbourne Cup. The Origional Posting may not even be real....but, that don't Win Horse Races. Tip for the Cup? "Frightening"

@ Hisminsky ~ as Spike said way back in post #9 "That product is within our TOS" I think this is all very much a non-issue.
@ Tedz - Just a sec Tedz, I'll check for you and send you an IM...I don't quite live next to Flemington Race Course, but I have my sources who can sneak out on the track with their hygrometer/hydrometer-whatchamacallit's to check the status of the turf! Remember what they say old son..gambling only pays when you're winning!

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O.o I demand we get a smoking tag!!! ok I couldnt resist that either.

Anyone know where I can get sets of Puritan clothes for V2 & M2 ?

You forgot the "sword" tag

It wasn't about smoking. Not at all. But it was everything about Renderosity. Oh, and kawecki, I invite you to visit the Bryce forum at 3D Commune. There's a sad fellow in his 40s there who is chronicling his recently diagnosed lung cancer.

And there are people that never smoke die with 20 years old, and people with more than 100 years that continue smoking, and so on.....

OMG no NOSE PICKING NOW? NO CHEAP PERFUME omg nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo omg that is great! I love that!!

@ DarkElegance: for some odd reason, foot odor is still allowed, and highly encouraged :) @kawecki: I don't really care.

"I invite you to visit the Bryce forum at 3D Commune. There's a sad fellow in his 40s there who is chronicling his recently diagnosed lung cancer." Sounds fun. I must get along to 3DC. I personally hate breathing in smoke from inconsiderate twats who think that just because they're killing themselves they can try to kill me too. But there's a world of difference between reality and a graphic of a some improbable lady with a cig between her jaggy lips. As has been mentioned, if you ban this then you'd ban 30% of stuff in the galleries, much of which represents deeds significantly more harmful than smoking.

"Lead by example." I agree. Renderosity should lead by example by ignoring preposterous slippery slope complaints that imply that the sale of a pose and prop set "promote" terminal illnesses. Poor Victoria, someone save her! LOL "I invite you to visit the Bryce forum at 3D Commune. There's a sad fellow in his 40s there who is chronicling his recently diagnosed lung cancer." I can't imagine any of the loved ones I've known who had to contend with the horrors of cancer being silly or pathetic enough to chronicle the experience in an online forum intended for discussing 3D apps, but so be it, perhaps this man finds some solace is using that forum for his personal health issues. I detest smoking but puh-leeze, get real.

O.o foot odor is still allowed??? I WANT A FOOT ODOR TAG. on a more seriouse note... some tell their story online so that others may learn from it. some are more private about their battles. But I honestly dont think that anyone here is suddenly going to take up smoking simply because of a set of poses. one that pose on the first image is just..well not very practicle...really..have you ever seen a bunch of people naked on the front of a building on their smoke break siting in that position? no. so I can not take it seriousely that someone would take up smoking just from those poses..and anyone that is THAT suggestable..OMG they must have a hard life..between being "suggested" into smoking...then the "suggestions" not to smoke...then the "suggestions" to eat meat..."suggestions" to be vegen....etc etc etc OMG they must go nuts being that easily suggestable.O.O

First of all, while I didn't go and read it on 3DC, I feel terrible for any person that has to go through a terminal disease, and if they can find support and friends on line that can walk them through it or provide a good word for them, I think it's helpful, not pathetic at all. I would rather see him do that than commit suicide, which many do faced with similar circumstances. I wish him the best of luck and hope he can find that courage. After all, people don't always have real life family and friends to help them through these times.

And even those that do, often find such people hesitant in these situations. I can kinda understand why people would feel the way they do about such a description. It gives us thoughts that we may not want to or cannot deal with, due to our own personal lives, beliefs and fears. It's not about not caring because I think people do indeed care, but it's about having such courage to go through the experience. I've helped someone through it once to a sad ending, and honestly, I don't know if I could ever do that again, for myself or for others, as it still haunts me. But I do very much care.

HOWEVER, I agree with others that one should not ban items or art that might relate to such a cause just because someone is suffering. That is like saying, ban all pictures with guns because someone was killed by a gun. Or ban all cars because someone was in an accident. There are thousands of ways man finds to self-destruct himself or others. If all items were banned that could lead to that, then what art or items would be left?

Did you ever stop to think that the same items that could be used to promote smoking as you call it, could be used to create an anti-smoking promotion? It's all how one uses the object.

ShadowWind

OMG! Hehe...LOL roobol thats pretty funny ;D

OOOOOOOOOO Nooooooooo I stopped going to the OT forum because I got sick of being provoked by loonies, and ending up responding like one (well, OK, it could be fun). The mods should re-locate this thread there. m.

"First of all, while I didn't go and read it on 3DC, I feel terrible for any person that has to go through a terminal disease, and if they can find support and friends on line that can walk them through it or provide a good word for them, I think it's helpful, not pathetic at all." Please understand that my response was in response to TerraDreamer's moralizing rebuke of kawecki, the one with the vulgar subject line change. I do find some pathos in seeking support for one's suffering from cancer in a Bryce forum. It implies that the person doesn't have sufficient support in better or more appropriate places, which in the truest and least judgemental of ways, is pathetic. I'm afraid I came across as insensitive when I'm far from it on this subject. Believe me, I lost a very dear relative this past year to cancer, and take the subject very seriously, as I'm sure we all do. And being a big softie at heart, in spite of whatever present appearances, I have to agree that if this person finds comfort in the 3DC Bryce forum, fine. Still, using that reference in an attempt to rebuke those who found the original complaint to be ill-considered is just ridiculously manipulative and tacky IMO. Nobody is saying that lung cancer is okay...I haven't even seen anyone in this thread say that smoking is fine and dandy. The problem is with what you might call the "PC Police mentality," which is at times a bit trigger happy.

WOW! I haven't seen this much heated debate since Renderosity changed the look and feel of the site. Man, you would have thought people were going to pull a Jonestown or something! @xoconostle: What was ill-considered, and just what WAS it that I was implying? Was it about smoking? Did you read my original post? And if you think I'm the PC Police, you're sorely mistaken. After you get done hugging yourself, figure it out.

...for anybody? What the hell am I supposed to do after sex now... talk!? /P