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Subject: Poser 5 Dynamic Cloth Simulations into Vue 4


kirwyn ( ) posted Fri, 05 December 2003 at 5:50 AM · edited Tue, 14 January 2025 at 9:41 PM

I have read that Poser 5 cloth simulations will not import into Vue 4, and yet I am able to import most cloth simulations. I say most because not all would import at first but I finally figured out the process to make those import also. I'm just wondering how many people know about this. I thought about making a tutorial to show the process of importing the cloth simulation that does not normally import. Would there be any interest?


gebe ( ) posted Fri, 05 December 2003 at 5:52 AM

All good tutorials are interesting. Just go ahead:-) Guitta


Himico ( ) posted Fri, 05 December 2003 at 11:46 AM

I am interested in the tutorial.
Will it work with Mover too?
Dynamic cloth is great for animation.


Mazak ( ) posted Fri, 05 December 2003 at 2:02 PM

After simulation you can export the dynamic cloth as wavefront object or as morph target. Load the object back in Poser and save the scene as PZ3 file. Now you can load the PZ3 in Vue4. Mover4 can not import dynamic cloth simulation as Animation. Maybe Mover5 can do it (I hope) Mazak

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kirwyn ( ) posted Sat, 06 December 2003 at 2:32 AM

file_87532.jpg

Here is a simple 30 frame simulation/animation made in Poser 5 cloth using V3 and Nerd's free Jessica Dress. It was saved as PZ3 and then imported into Vue4 with Mover4. The simulation/animation works well because the dress has a properly configured obj file. Other dynamic clothing may require some file surgery to make it import properly. It can be done.


Dale B ( ) posted Sat, 06 December 2003 at 5:38 AM

Kirwyn; WOW! And Details! Details! Have you tried to see if the wind generated deformations will tranfer over as well? And a quicky definition of 'properly configured obj file' so I know what to look for. Even if this only works for a percentage of items, that really opens up the animation effects window...


Dale B ( ) posted Sat, 06 December 2003 at 5:41 AM

And you know, there were some early experiments with clothifying some of the simpler hair meshes, to see if it wer possible to get an acceptable effect. Might be time to dig out what I saw on that...


Dale B ( ) posted Sat, 06 December 2003 at 5:42 AM

And if the VuePro version of Mover can handle this....


Mazak ( ) posted Sat, 06 December 2003 at 5:50 AM

Excellent! Now I understand the object must be stored in the geometries subfolder. Poser5 SR3 saves dynamic simulation as *dyn files extra. Like this way NameOfPz3_Sim_1_NameOfObject_1.dyn. Mazak

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Dale B ( ) posted Sat, 06 December 2003 at 6:11 AM

Mazak; Correct me here If I'm wrong. In P5, it saves the basic identification of the obj in the PZ3 as always, then the deformed obj is stored in the dyn folder? And all that is needed is to move the content of the dyn folder into geometries? Or is there more? I wanna play....!


Mazak ( ) posted Sat, 06 December 2003 at 6:53 AM

file_87533.jpg

The *dyn file must be in same folder as the Pz3/Pzz. In dyn files are the vertex informations for the object animation. Here a small test of my animation. Mazak

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Mazak ( ) posted Sat, 06 December 2003 at 6:55 AM

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=1545655

Here can you find the original Poser animation ;-) http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=1545655 Mazak

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Dale B ( ) posted Sat, 06 December 2003 at 7:30 AM

Sigh.... Switch VuePro to P5 import and it throws the unable to import error. Is this limited to Vue 4.2?


Himico ( ) posted Sat, 06 December 2003 at 11:15 AM

They are very nice !
Great!
Thank you.
Himico


HarverdGrad ( ) posted Sat, 06 December 2003 at 5:24 PM

Just to clarify after trying this out...

Using VuePro (I'm using it with the latest Beta Patch applied), it appears all I had to do was clothify an object (I used the HiRes Square primitive) over your object (I used Victoria 3)...and calculate.

Then I saved my .pz3 file (I checked the directory I saved to and sure enough, there was a .dyn file created also).

Then I started Vue Pro and imported the Pz3 file and woot! The dynamics of the cloth came over.

I never had to export anything as a WaveObj File.

Very cool indeed :)

Regards,
JB


Dale B ( ) posted Sat, 06 December 2003 at 11:40 PM

Hmmm... Well, I got it to work in Vue 4.2...(and delightfully it did). I jsut applied the newest beta patch; wonder if that broke something? Or revealed a hidden issue? Time to test, test, test, again.... :


jwhitham ( ) posted Sun, 07 December 2003 at 11:43 AM

"Switch VuePro to P5 import" - how? I tried renaming the Poser 4 executable, I thought that would cause VuePro to ask for it again, that didn't work. ATM I can import the clothes, but there's nobody wearing them :-( John


Dale B ( ) posted Sun, 07 December 2003 at 8:18 PM

What you need to do is rename the entire folder that Poser resides in. What Vue looks for is that folder, and assumes that since you directed it there, the Poser executable is -in- that folder, along with the runtime. Once you do that, fire up Vue and it should ask, then you can direct it to your P5 install, then return the P4 folder to the name it had and all is well. Well, tried to roll back the update. It said the backup was corrupt, and couldn't undo the update, but when it fired up, the splash screen had the previous beta build number on it. That one imported the Judy and dynamic dress just fine...minus the dress. Re-ran the latest beta patch and it went back to throwing the unable to read PZ3 error. Think I'm gonna stick to 4.2 to experiement with for the moment. And to get some serious usage experience out of the cloth room in Poser. Hopefully there will be a finalized patch out soon, and that will take care of things. I haven't had to reinstall VuePro -yet-, and I'd like to keep it that way....


Axhands ( ) posted Mon, 15 December 2003 at 3:27 PM

How come the people at e-on didn't figure this out?


Dale B ( ) posted Mon, 15 December 2003 at 5:59 PM

Good question, lots of possible answers... Mega-SIGH....Well, the latest beta works with P5 now...but it doesn't seem to work well with the eternal Poser Texture Pathing issue. And the betaCows for this build have been turning out nothing but black frames the last 3 renders I've attempted. One encoded with DivX 5.1, and one as single frame uncompressed jpg's. -But- the animations do render in VuePro alone (this was a test of the dynamic cloth, btw. Which should have had no effect on visibility). And the little buggers haven't thrown a single error code at me. They are behaving wonderfully...minus the black output, of course..... :


Axhands ( ) posted Mon, 15 December 2003 at 7:02 PM

those render cows are buggy.


Axhands ( ) posted Mon, 15 December 2003 at 7:15 PM

It doesn't work for Vue 4.2 and I have a hard time believing it works for Vueblo or pro. Excuse me.


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