It's funny that when Uzilite makes a skirt that has 'lifting up' morphs, showing panties, that she sells that particular item at Rendy instead of at DAZ. I also observe BillyT selling his wet t-shirt and cut-offs for V3 here, when he simultaneously is releasing a jeans and dry t-shirt product at DAZ. At the same time, bondage gear has hit an all time high in popularity. In 2003 I saw more bondage products being sold in the MP than at any other time since I've been in the 3d community. The irony is that Renderosity has recently come down harder on 'adult' themes, while at the same time is selling sex better than ever before. And many members have been vocal about their disdain for the 'new' hardline attitude. But, what's weirdest is I don't hear complaints about the baning of 'adult' topics at other sites. DAZ, Poserpros, RDNA - you rarely ever hear these kind of complaints at these sites, even though the same basic rules apply. So, why is it we are more vocal here about our discontent with 'adult' controls? My guess is that we all know that DAZ is the Disney of the Poser world. And Poserpros and RDNA are...pros. I'd feel foolish going in there and complaining about...them. My guess is that since this is such a 'public' place in every sense of the word, that it's easier for everyone to shout and act a fool without worrying about the consequences. Perhaps I've got it all wrong. Why do you think a double standard exists? Does a double standard exist? My feeling is that I'm just happy that 'adult' themed products are still being sold at several sites and one site doesn't have a monopoly on the genre.

Of course there is a double standard, the reason is spelled "money". If it sells, it's OK. If it doesn't, the rules are enforced hard. This is what gives Renderosity less credibility than other sites in this department. If that is a deliberate choice or not, I don't know, but it sure creates confusion and raises quite a few eyebrows. But then, I'm European, so I don't really have the same mindset when it comes to nudity and adult themes as the people running this site...

I don't go to the forums at RDNA very often, so I can't comment there. At Poser Pros, however, the reason you don't hear complaints about 'adult' topics being censored is because they don't censor them. You're trusted to be an adult and act as such. Here, there's the inconsistent enforcement, and the hypocrisy. Inconsistent enforcement: some people get smacked down harder and faster than others for TOS 'violations'. One person can rip another up one side and down the other with no repercussions. Another gets a strike for calling someone a 'dufflebag'. And the hypocrisy. So much as mention ever using warez in the forums, you're gone. Zero tolerance. Steal someone else's work and sell it successfully in the marketplace, you'll get a slap on the wrist. Bondage gear, torture implements, all that. You can sell it, but you can't use it. They're either opposed to it, or they're not. Straddling the fence just makes them look bad. It's a little late to be drawing a line. But, if they really want to clean this place up and that's how they want to do it, OK. They need to draw that line nice and dark, and then stand outside the grey-zone buffer around that line. None of the previous wishy-washy who-are-you-friends-with and which-mod-is-in-a-bad-mood-today stuff. We'll see if they manage that or not.

pokes head in quickly to bookmark and leave a small, sweet smelling phial for Rammy....

"My guess is that since this is such a 'public' place in every sense of the word, that it's easier for everyone to shout and act a fool without worrying about the consequences." I think you hit the nail on head.

still entertaining my self, but if this thread aint gonna be deleted itll be moved and I just wanna know where to...

I think that everything to be said on this subject has already been said several times in the last few weeks. Consider this: at present sexy stuff is allowed in the MP but not elsewhere. There are two possible changes to make things consistent. Either you clear out the "adult" stuff from the MP to make it conform to the galleries, or you allow it into the galleries to conform to the MP. Which would you like? Option 2 isn't going to happen that I see. Option 1 is worse than the status quo. So don't rock the boat too hard.

There is a simple solution to all this hogwash. First Renderosity creates a new button Adults Only Put all adult products in this area. Second Rederosity creates an adult Gallery. Third Renderosity create an adult poser forum. Last if sex offends you stay out of these area. Simple. . .enough said.

Hypocrisy? Here? I just went to the "Community Page" that defines who the Poser Renderosity famiy is. It has a image and two product ads on it. The ads are for Stephie P's new vagina and VV (who loves to fondle other girls' big boobs, the picture lets us know). That's about as honest as they can be. Now I got nothin' against Arduino's vagina, and VV needs work while she waits for that reconstructive surgery, but lets be clear about one thing: Renderosity doesn't sell sex. They sell fake sex. Renderotica sells sex. A porn shop with scruples. You can buy, but you can't say the f word in the store.... M

And to the idiots who dont comply and put there stuff in the right area to begin with? What are the consequences for them? You know someone would push the rules on that one. Dave

Heh, I don't mind all the double standards and erratic behaviour here, It's just a reflection of real life. What does bother me is how sanitized Daz's store is... I don't like buying a texture when they won't even show me the whole thing!

As this was a Market Place question - the thread was moved from the Poser Forum. Dee-Marie

We are "Cleaning up" promotional images for the following reason. We are attracting a more professional customer and working with higher end companies that we wouldnt be able to partner with having extreme content. Its not going away - Just toned down to fit within the TOS. No need to specualte on why. That IS the reason. Thanks, Clint

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Hmm not exactly a record but it did get moved... Dave

it was moved...and for the setting a record-thingie a better time of day must be choosen...ya know when the mods are awake and stuff like that ;-)

Yeah I figured that's why it took til almost mid morning here for it to finally be moved. Surprised it wasnt locked too so we couldnt beat this dead horse into the ground. Dave

Dont know, Dave, moving it here is nearly the same as locking it , I guess...nobody will never see it...and this way we cant even go back to the Poser forum and ask why it was locked...hmmm, we have to find a new subject for a new thread back in the good old Poser forum ;-)

The move towards a higher end market is good. Inconsistency in enforcing rules is not good. Personally, this does not affect me as I don't post anything that would require an age restriction. But for those who do sell such items, or post nude images in the forums or galleries, it is only fair to be black and white with the ruling. Either have an "adults" section where artistic freedom reigns, or abolish nudity all together. This will make life simpler for the casual "family" viewer and still give everyone a place to show their work and products. There will always be trouble-makers, but I've seen more than one person post a nude and honestly forget to hit the nudity flag. Is there anything wrong with the nude? Absolutely not. But by allowing one nude into the general forums, 'Rosity has opened themselves to all the grief we see in the forums today. People just want a set of clearly defined parameters within which to work. Unfortunately, as it stands, the TOS is open to a little too much interpretation.

You know what's odd? As far as I can tell, the higher end aps don't really have issues with nudity or anything...

I think I presented my question wrong. I'm not attacking the way Rendy or any other site enforces its TOS. I wasn't knocking this site. Perhaps I should have said it this way instead: It seems that we Poser artists are more vocal about Rendy's policies than we are about other sites that have the same basic rules. I'm basing this on my own observations. I was wondering if others felt likewise or differently. My use of comparisons and enforcement of 'adult content' were bad choices as comparisons, perhaps. Ha ha - maybe this notion is too abstract. I think I'll stop posting for a while - I'm running out of feet to put in my mouth this month :P

That's because the TOS here comes across as rather subjective and likely to change depending on who you are. ;) So people complain more.

"We are "Cleaning up" promotional images for the following reason." From The TOS "Advertising or linking to any publications and/or web sites that are age restricted due to content, and/or pornographic in nature." However, this does not apply if you are a merchant. This is one example of the inconsistency that permeates this site.

"However, this does not apply if you are a merchant. This is one example of the inconsistency that permeates this site. " Please provide examples so I can take action as needed. Blanket statements like that are hard for me to work on. Thanks, Clint

I'll IM you rather than post here.

PC, Thanks very much for the IM. I really appreciate you taking the time. Regards, Clint