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Subject: Poser and Limitations

arrow1 opened this issue on Feb 17, 2004 · 23 posts
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arrow1 ( ) posted Tue, 17 February 2004 at 2:53 PM · edited Tue, 04 February 2025 at 10:42 AM

I have tried to render seven V3'S on a worldz V2 background,and all it did was sit there all night with a blank render status monitor.I controlled alt delete and was told Poser was running.Is this too much for Pro pack? My machine is a Dual Athlon with 2.6 plus processors with 1.5 gigs of ram on a Windows XP Professional platform with over 89 gigs of free hard drive space and the Propack memory updater.Is it time to export or import my figures into Vue or some other application to render.By the way this is only a still render 650x450 pixels. Any suggestions would be welcome! arrow1

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Marque ( ) posted Tue, 17 February 2004 at 2:57 PM

One trick is to ctrl alt del and choose poser then hit the switch to button. Sometimes it works and sometimes not. Marque

Marque ( ) posted Tue, 17 February 2004 at 3:01 PM

lol just tried it and it locked up...though I know people here have done it. Maybe someone will chime in with the answer. Marque

Marque ( ) posted Tue, 17 February 2004 at 3:02 PM

Take that back, just did the switch to about 4 times and it finished rendering. Marque

JVRenderer ( ) posted Tue, 17 February 2004 at 3:04 PM

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I did a multi-figure scene once and I had the same problems you had. (2 V2's, 1 steph, 1 freak, 1 daz hound, 2 davo's robots, and high resolution textured building props, several clothing pieces, and several misc props) See link: Fearsome Foursome I had to break the scene up into two seperate renders and combined them in photoshop. I rendered them in 2800 X 2100, and shrank them in photoshop. JV.



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biggert ( ) posted Tue, 17 February 2004 at 6:03 PM

hmm...i wonder if this happens in P5 SR3.....

Marque ( ) posted Tue, 17 February 2004 at 6:22 PM

I just pulled 9 into Poser 5 and although it stuttered it rendered. Marque

JVRenderer ( ) posted Tue, 17 February 2004 at 7:36 PM

Yes, it happened in P5 SR3 also (even with the memory patch installed), along 4096 MB of scratchdisk allowed.



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Marque ( ) posted Tue, 17 February 2004 at 7:54 PM

Did you try my trick? It took a few times but it did work even with 9 V3's. I had the memory patch installed and had nothing but problems until I un-installed it. Marque

JVRenderer ( ) posted Tue, 17 February 2004 at 9:27 PM

I've owned Poser 5 since it's inception. Installed and reinstalled it various times with all the patches on 2 different computer systems (1 amd 2800+ with 1 gb, 1 P4 3.06 with 1 gb). I still wasn't able to get it to work right, so I've gone back to Propack. It's not my hardware, because Cinema4D and Vue 4.2 works fine on the AMD 2800+. JV



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ynsaen ( ) posted Tue, 17 February 2004 at 11:21 PM

Correct -- it is not the hardware. It is the stability and settings of the software environment of the system, which is likely not set up specifically with Poser in mind. Not a bad thing, mind you, just a point. Incidentally, the Propack memory updater is NOT recommended for Poser 5, and may, in fact, decrease the stability of the program.

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arrow1 ( ) posted Wed, 18 February 2004 at 12:08 AM

The situation is not looking good as after I did my still render I was hoping to animate my scene.It will work ok with four figures.I might try and make an AVI with four figures and reimport it back into poser and animate the other three in the foreground with the original scene running in the background.Has anybody tried this? arrow1

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pjanak ( ) posted Wed, 18 February 2004 at 2:40 AM

That should be fine. Realize however that you will want to render the first clip as an uncompressed AVI or sequentail stills. Import that clip as a braground and then render your or charctares moving around.

arrow1 ( ) posted Wed, 18 February 2004 at 3:50 AM

Many Thanks! I will give it a try.arrow1

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arrow1 ( ) posted Wed, 18 February 2004 at 3:55 AM

Tried it worked.Only thing is ...How do I get ground shadows in the second clip? arrow1

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pjanak ( ) posted Wed, 18 February 2004 at 2:00 PM

IN that case you will have to render to green screen each group of characters render and then composite in a video app. the green screen will allow for shadows so you can then see the character shadows on the background image. Assuminng that you do not have a full scene. COlor the ground the exact same color as the background. Use intense green.

arrow1 ( ) posted Wed, 18 February 2004 at 2:49 PM

Sorry to be a pain,but can you explain this a little clearer? I have made my first image (which is now my background) as an AVI.and has ground shadows from the previous figures.I have imported four figures with a blank background, rendered and made an AVI over the background.I am not sure how I render to green screen. arrow1

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pjanak ( ) posted Thu, 19 February 2004 at 5:32 PM

How clear can it be? Well maybe it wasn't enough. Your charcter is in the default scene Color the background chromokey green. Color the ground plane chromokey green. Render your AVI. Create a background scene if you want. LIke a room or something Render that as a still image. Import the still and the AVI into any video editing app. PUt the still in video track one and adjust the length of the still from one frame to the total length of the avi. import the AVI and load it into a video track about videotrack 1. Since it has a solid green background you can chromokey out the green to expose the background image clip underneath. AS your character walks its shadow will be visible through the chromokey. Thereby appearing as though the final output is actually a single render.

arrow1 ( ) posted Fri, 20 February 2004 at 1:06 AM

Got it! Many thanks for your patience and reply.Cheers arrow1

Custom built computer 128 gigs RAM,4 Terabyte hard drive, NVIDIA RTX 4060 TI 16 GIG Gig,12 TH Generation Intel i9, Dual LG Screens, 0/S Windows 11, networked to a Special 12th Generation intel I9, RTX 3060 12 Gig, Windows 11,64 gigs RAM, Dual Phillips Screens, 2 Terabyte SSD Hard Drive plus 1 Terabyte Hard Drive,3rd Computer intel i7,128 gigs ram, Graphics Card NVIDIA RTX 3060 Gig,1 Terabyte Hard Drive, OS Windows 11 64 Bit Dual Samsung Syncmaster 226bw Screens.Plus INFINITY Laptop 64 Bit,64 gigs RAM.Intel i9 chip.Windows 11 Pro and Ultimate. 4 x 2 Terrabyte Hard Drives and 2 x 2 Terrabyte external USB Hard drives. All Posers from 4 to Poser 2010 and 2012, 2014. Poser 11 and 12, 13, Hexagon 2.5 64 Bit, Carrara 8.5 Pro 64 bit, Adobe Photoshop CS4 Creative Production Suite. Adobe Photoshop CC 2024, Vue 10 and 10.5 Infinite Vue 11 14.5 Infinite plus Vue 15 and 16 Infinite, Vue 2023 and 2024, Plant Catologue, DAZ Studio 4.23, iClone 7 with 3DXchange and Character Creator 3, Nikon D3 Camera with several lenses.  Nikon Z 6 ii and Z5. 180-600mm lens, 24-70 mm lens with adapter.Just added 2x 2 Terrabyte portable hard drives.

arrow1 ( ) posted Fri, 20 February 2004 at 3:25 PM

I am not familiar with some of the terminologies used! I understand the principal of what you want me to do.But what is chromokey green and where do I find it and what is chromokey? Cheers arrow1

Custom built computer 128 gigs RAM,4 Terabyte hard drive, NVIDIA RTX 4060 TI 16 GIG Gig,12 TH Generation Intel i9, Dual LG Screens, 0/S Windows 11, networked to a Special 12th Generation intel I9, RTX 3060 12 Gig, Windows 11,64 gigs RAM, Dual Phillips Screens, 2 Terabyte SSD Hard Drive plus 1 Terabyte Hard Drive,3rd Computer intel i7,128 gigs ram, Graphics Card NVIDIA RTX 3060 Gig,1 Terabyte Hard Drive, OS Windows 11 64 Bit Dual Samsung Syncmaster 226bw Screens.Plus INFINITY Laptop 64 Bit,64 gigs RAM.Intel i9 chip.Windows 11 Pro and Ultimate. 4 x 2 Terrabyte Hard Drives and 2 x 2 Terrabyte external USB Hard drives. All Posers from 4 to Poser 2010 and 2012, 2014. Poser 11 and 12, 13, Hexagon 2.5 64 Bit, Carrara 8.5 Pro 64 bit, Adobe Photoshop CS4 Creative Production Suite. Adobe Photoshop CC 2024, Vue 10 and 10.5 Infinite Vue 11 14.5 Infinite plus Vue 15 and 16 Infinite, Vue 2023 and 2024, Plant Catologue, DAZ Studio 4.23, iClone 7 with 3DXchange and Character Creator 3, Nikon D3 Camera with several lenses.  Nikon Z 6 ii and Z5. 180-600mm lens, 24-70 mm lens with adapter.Just added 2x 2 Terrabyte portable hard drives.

ynsaen ( ) posted Fri, 20 February 2004 at 5:49 PM

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Chromakey Green is a pure green, hon. Chromakey Blue is a pure Blue. in RGB values (that red, green, and blue), the green is 0 Red, 255 Green, 0 blue. The Blue is 0 Red, 0 Green, 255 Blue. These colors are used becuase they very, very rarely appear in most other things, allowing you to sort of "trim out" the parts that are green, leaving only the end result. This is used in movies all the time for special effects.

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)

arrow1 ( ) posted Fri, 20 February 2004 at 6:07 PM

Many Thanks! Everday is a learning curve for me in the 3d world.Cheers arrow1

Custom built computer 128 gigs RAM,4 Terabyte hard drive, NVIDIA RTX 4060 TI 16 GIG Gig,12 TH Generation Intel i9, Dual LG Screens, 0/S Windows 11, networked to a Special 12th Generation intel I9, RTX 3060 12 Gig, Windows 11,64 gigs RAM, Dual Phillips Screens, 2 Terabyte SSD Hard Drive plus 1 Terabyte Hard Drive,3rd Computer intel i7,128 gigs ram, Graphics Card NVIDIA RTX 3060 Gig,1 Terabyte Hard Drive, OS Windows 11 64 Bit Dual Samsung Syncmaster 226bw Screens.Plus INFINITY Laptop 64 Bit,64 gigs RAM.Intel i9 chip.Windows 11 Pro and Ultimate. 4 x 2 Terrabyte Hard Drives and 2 x 2 Terrabyte external USB Hard drives. All Posers from 4 to Poser 2010 and 2012, 2014. Poser 11 and 12, 13, Hexagon 2.5 64 Bit, Carrara 8.5 Pro 64 bit, Adobe Photoshop CS4 Creative Production Suite. Adobe Photoshop CC 2024, Vue 10 and 10.5 Infinite Vue 11 14.5 Infinite plus Vue 15 and 16 Infinite, Vue 2023 and 2024, Plant Catologue, DAZ Studio 4.23, iClone 7 with 3DXchange and Character Creator 3, Nikon D3 Camera with several lenses.  Nikon Z 6 ii and Z5. 180-600mm lens, 24-70 mm lens with adapter.Just added 2x 2 Terrabyte portable hard drives.

pjanak ( ) posted Wed, 25 February 2004 at 5:34 AM

Sorry if I took a few things for granted. Even if one is not in the movie making or 3D animation business, many a layman by now knows how hollywood does there special effects. At least thats what I thought. Sorry.

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