Thanks Dave, got all those pics but thanks again. What I'm having the most problem with recreating the overall shine on the silver/white face makeup and the blush. Also, while P5 Face Room has helped with the facial morphs what shows in the Face Room doesn't transfer well to P5 Don's face. Got MichaelV3 last week maybe I'll Frankenfurterize him. In the meantime I'm focusing on the facial morphs right now to look more like Tim and I'll take a rest on the makeup until I get a little better with PS7. Thanks to all again for the encouragement and tips. "It's just a jump to the left, and then step to the ri-i-i-i-ght!"