If you don't like the fact that we're trying to help someone with a problem they asked for help with, then don't read this thread. I, for one don't care whether she's pretty or not. Someone asked for help and I tried to give back what so many others had given to me. Look at what has been accomplished in a day here. A_ 's model is an excellent model, with the right texture I think A_ has got her down pretty good. I don't mind that my version falls short of that version, but if someone looked at mine and said I can do better than that and they did it, then what's wrong with it? Sandmarine's happy, I'm happy and maybe someone else finds pleasure in it. I didn't think Vicky's nose could be tweaked enough to get it right but A_ has shown it can pretty darn close. Just my opinion, read it or not!