I would be interested in knowing how to do this too.

i think if you just go to the folder through windows and add that exact thumbnail but label it with a ! first or the letter A or whatever, it will come up on top and of course not point to anything... shrug

BTW the PZ2 I saved is blank - I simply opened notepad and then "saved as". No text.

awww, thanks ever so much. i'll give it a whirl. terry

You can make an icon easily: just prepare a PNG, 91 x 91 pixels. On Poser 4, you need to convert it to RSR format with P3dO Explorer. You'll also need a blank PZ2 file for the icon to attach to. Copy the text between the --- lines: --- Start --- { version { number 4.01 } thighLength 0.17748 figure { } } { version { number 4.01 } thighLength 0.17748 figure { } } --- End --- - paste into a text editor, and save it with a .PZ2 extension. If you give your PZ2 and icon files a name starting with ! it will make them appear at the start of the list. If you already have poses starting with !, then use !! or !!! until you win the exclamation mark battle. :)

again thank you so much. my poser files are getting so big, i havent a clue as to where they are or what some go with. :) terry

Terry - same here - I normally have to trawl through the read me's if I have forgotten which mat poses goes with which clothes!! This is an excellent idea.

Poser 5 doesn't use the RSRs - make sure you have the PNG file in the same folder as the PZ2, and with the same root name (!REQUIRED NEEDS.PNG in this case).

There's something in the back of my mind about tranparency being a problem with PNG thumbnails; can't find anything definitive with a quick search. But you might try deleting the alpha channel from your PNG, if possible, and see what happens.

i'll look into this later Bob as i have to go to work now. Thank you for all your help so far. Have a great day, terry

The PNG file needs an alpha channel. Evey thing white in the channel gets shown, everything black is transparent.

Alpha channels, png to rsr, 91 pixels... huh?? Just do it the easy way: 1) Make a square image in your favorite image editor (Photoshop, Paint Shop Pro, whatever.) 2) Decorate it however you want: requirement text, your face, whatever. 3) Save as jpg. 4) Open Poser (4, Pro Pack, heck, even 3). 5) Add a small object to scene (a figure if you are in the figure or pose library, a prop if you are in the prop library) 6) Set the background image to the image you just made. 7) Make the figure or prop invisible. 8) If the quality is good enough, hit the + to add it to your library: there, a nice thumbnial. 8a) Or, render the scene, paste onto background, then add to your library. Then, edit the figure (or pose or prop) file so it's blank, so people don't click on it later.

Or just use P3dOExplorer. It does a nice job of converting .png without alpha channels to those with! :) Kuroyume

Whilst we're at it if you have Pro Pack of P5 your thumbnails are not restricted to 91x91

I see you have got some answers, I havent read them all but I can see i am largly repeating what has been said already. Never the less, here is my take on it. About the best you can do is to create a minimal library file file, one that is almost empty. Poser needs an associated library file other wise it won't display the rsr or png for the thumbnail. The minimum file consists of an oprning brace, a carage return, and a closing brace. Poser will still try to load this minimal file but in most cases it won't do anything. There are two exceptions, if you use it from a light pallet it will turn all the lights off, and if you use it from a figures pallet with 'Change Figure' it will delete the figure from the document. Here is a procedure, I tested it in Poser 4, but I think it should also work in Pro Pack and Poser 5. 1. If the item is a prop go to step #3, If the item is a camera go to step #4, if the item is a figure or pose go to step #2a. I recomend you don't use this procedure for lights. 2a. Load any figure (one with a small file size is best). 2b. Select the 'BODY' actor. 2c. Hide the 'BODY' actor (select it, then from the menu bar; Object > Properties > Visible). Go to step #4. 3. Hide the prop (select it, then from the menu bar; Object > Properties > Visible). 4. Import the graphic you want to use for the icon as a 'Background Picture". 5. Save an item to the pallet. 6. Open the library file you just created in a text editor. Select the entire contents of the file and delete them. 7. Type an opening brace, a carage return, a closing brace, then resave the file. It shouild now look like this:

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Thats it! As Twisted_Symmetry said using a "!" as the first character of of the name will bump it to the top of the list.

They don't have to be 91x91 but they will not allow you to scroll the image and you'll get cutoffs on the right side of any PNG wider than 91. I forgot to resize a PNG before saving it while making my Robinsons. Poser read it fine, it just didn't show anything to the right of 91 pixels wide.

thank you all for your advice and ideas. terry