Dear Renderosity Administrators, A fair question needs a fair answer from a fair Website _In the past, I used to ask stupid questions. This time, let's be more serious here, please; I want a clear answer from the Renderosity Adms.: Thanks to the R.R. Adms to answer first, and thanks too to YOU ALL to verify what I am saying here, and maybe explain me or either, helpully...please, comment it. I swear that what I am telling here is true, and I can maintain & affirm it in front of any Court, and anywhere: But all I need here, is a direct & public answer honestly to THESE FACTS: _I was checking a comment that an artist did after I posted one of my artworks....After a while, I checked his name...then ...other names on the "Members list": _Number of 'Active members':(04/15/2004,2:51 CST (GMT-6) (I changed my computer-Time into one of the USA Times.) _Result 167,935 active members. Okay. _Wanting to do some: "Search by members" I typed a name in the ..."Members Area": _25 artists by page. Okay. 167,935/25 = About 6717 pages...Alright. On these active members, I found & verified: 1)_Members' "Artist Pages" About 3 or 4 on 25 individuals on each page have a personal "Artist Page" _I found that 3/25 = 0.12 and so, 20,152 empty "Artist Pages" up to 4/25 = 0.16 ===>>>> 167,935 x 0.16 = 26870 "Artist Pages" with somethingin them. The rest, let's see, it's about the same: 167,935 - 26870 = 141065 are empty ! This IS the truth about the real number of RR Individuals' "Artists Pages" ! My first question is: What the heck does all of this all means ? 2)"Members' "Gallery Images" 6717 pages of 25 members for each page (Still out of these 167,935 members). 80% of: "Sorry, but no files match your search"...Well...???!!! The percentage is much lower: Only from about 806 up to 41980. Between 0.0047% and 0.24 % of "active members" have a personal filled-up "Artist page" on Renderosity ! _167,935 active Members: The rest of the pages are empty ! _This IS the truth about the real number of RR Individuals' "Artist pages" number out of 167,935 "active members" ! _Same question: What the heck does all of this all means ? 3)_Members' "Gallery Pages": Still 6717 pages of 25 members each page.... = About 2686 have a Gallery page let's say about 0,016% of RR "active members have a "Gallery page" with at least some, or even ONE picture(s) in them. The rest of those "active members'"Gallery Pages" are empty ! _This IS the truth about the real number of RR Individuals' "Gallery Pages" ! Same question: Honestly, what the heck does all of this all means ? 4)"Free Stuff contributions": I get usually between 65% and 70% or of empty pages. (Out of the many hundreds pages that I and some of my friends, amongst whom some real members of RR, that we checked randomly ): _About 30 % have something to propose: lets say: 0,30 x 167,935 = 50380 active members have something on "Free Stuff contributions" _The rest of all those pages (70%) are empty ! with "Sorry, but no files match your search"... _This IS the truth about the real number of RR Individuals' "Free Stuff contributions" ! _Same question: What the heck does all of this all means ? ....and now my real question to the Administrators is: WHAT ARE THE OTHER MEMBERS DOING HERE ???!!! NOTHING ! If we count the merchants, it gives 45 % of realtively really active members, all About "who" is scaming who, huh ?...If Adms do NOTHING, then everybody is going to know you have there 45 % of scams and other "trojan horses", in case you want to "ban" someone(s),you should rather ban the "right guys", I mean the 55% who do nothing here, and have nothign to do o R.R., these 55% who have nothing under their names or logins ! _Thanks for your attention, AND FOR A CLEAR ANSWER TO THIS ! ...Remember that if you didn't, some, and more & more would ask themselves from on now if no answer: "Has R.R. become some real "mysterious clan" of scammers, or a graphics Fine Arts Website...???!!!" ...I am very sorry, among other things... for my typing errors and my bad english. Be asssured & cumfortable with the fact that, in no case & whatsoever, "I woudn't want to spoil the party" ! ..Anyway, those are just naive questionments, and I forbid anybody to say that they aren't honestly submitted to all in the full light! Greetings. It's a grave problem, call it web-terrorism or website laxism, we don't care, but we all need explainations here, certainly the artists who make & who made this site work deserve it ! Thanks. _Klaus.

"WHAT ARE THE OTHER MEMBERS DOING HERE ???!!!" reading stupid posts.

Could you point me to the part of the TOS that says you have to be active to be a member here? I couldn't find it.

When you mention banning people who do nothing do you include at least one person who's on national service at the moment so can't come in? Just because they're not active doesn't mean they're doing nothing, not everyone wants to post 300 pictures a week to their gallery (like some I could mention). Some people run their own sites not connected to rosity & don't have the time to do anything here apart from the odd post every month or so. When I joined I spent the first couple of months just flicking through the galleries & never posted a single thing, so by your standard I should have been banned at that point?

hey, I've got 50 meg of models, but no web site to host them, I've been graciously offered space at Peejay's (thanks Peejay) and a few other sites, but most of what I make ain't exactly 'marketable'..;) I put up usually a coupla (or more) pics a week..of varying quality..stop by the forums twice a day..so you can't say I'm not doing my part..;)
I think what it means is that a lot of folks join 'rosity, look around, maybe leave, and the space is still there for them to return. On the other hand, I've seen long dry spells from some prolific artists (was trying to recover from a bad CD backup, and was pulling folks from September of '02), so it'd be a shame to put up 300 pictures (like this guy was), and find someone had deleted all your work in the interim..(I back up each pic as I make it, and I know even I've lost a few pics here and there).
Bottom line, it might be worthwhile to transfer some of the 'inactive' accounts to backup servers to improve access performance. Maybe if an account hasn't been used in a year, the name could be retired an made available again (and I could finally become Gadfly, my first choice..;)
There's no onus on creating art, or even trying..it may sell advertising (if you're here even just to look, you're gonna see it..unless you tune it out like..uh..uh oh..TOS violation?..;)

I'm moving this thread to the Community center

A lot of people just come here to browse - and that you need a login to browse. I post here on a moderately active basis - but my freebies go to 3DA or to my own spinner pages at northern, so hence, you'd not find much from me here. It's an erroneous assumption that when you're playing with numbers like this that you assume a 100% participation rate on a big site. This will never be the case. 25 % is -extremely- optimistic, and it's probably far below that. If you redo the math and set a variable between 1 and 25 % active participation and extrapolate an average between them, you'd probably be a lot closer to active membership numbers. ~S

I don't have any freestuff here - it's all on my own website. I don't have any artwork here - it's all on my own website. I don't have an artist's page here - I have my own website on my own domain. I'm not a merchant here. So, by your reasoning I'm one of those who does "nothing." But you forgot to count the customers - those who actually BUY what the merchants are selling. Oh, and those who read and post in the forums. You forgot them too. Yeesh.

Dear _Klaus, Good question. I appreciate the enormous amount of time you must have spent on working these statistics. What it all means is that "active members" are those that visit the site regularly. They may be purchasing something from the MarketPlace, posting in forums, viewing Galleries, trying out Tutorials, or downloading FreeStuff, etc. We do not require "active members" to customize their Artist page, to make "Free Stuff" contributions, or to upload images to the Galleries. We make these resources available to our community members. But, members are free to choose which resources they wish to use and when. I trust this will help to answer your questions. Best regards, LillianH Renderosity Admin.

"WHAT ARE THE OTHER MEMBERS DOING HERE ???!!! NOTHING !" And what are doing people in the museums and art galleries??? Have you any statistics how many of them have any brush different from the used to paint walls? Well before I become an artist I was looking at the galleries here, and thanks to sites as Renderosity and Renderotica now I am an artist and also a merchant!

c1rcle good point! Kawecki I have to say I agree with ya too! Thats how I got interested in 3d art too. pakled I can certainly identify with what you say too.

O_O someone agreed with me I think faints

aleks actually has a point =) drac

OMG! Im agreeing with everyone here too! {well..ya know...except for _Klaus} gasps for air and almost passes out Im just wondering..how many almost identical posts are members allowed to make..that seem almost like trolling..? No matter how many answers Klaus gets on the subject..it will never be answered to his/her satisfaction until RR bans everyone...grumble, grumble Im still voting for an iggy button..;)

I'm still waiting for an edit button, been waiting for 3yrs so far :(

I still wonder what business it is of his... :-/