I don't know what it takes to write the fantastic scripts that you do, but the tiler was placing a pin on every facet. Since I was using Michael 3, it's placing it on every facet of his head I assume. The script showed no grouping but did initialize. I had to kill it because it would take longer to remove them than to place 150. Using a complicated object like Michael was probably my fault. I should have used a skull cap for the test and that would at least limit the results and then place the face pins manually, hmmm... that;s an idea I think I'll try! Thanks again. Maybe you're right about being able to choose every so mamy facets as an alternative for complicated objects.