Try this again! My last response just eaten by the forum gremlin. Ernyoka1-It does not give me the option to save as a smart prop. I exported it out as an obj, re-imported back into Poser and one additional pin shows up, go to Wings 3D and import the object and all the pins are there but the placement is somewhat different. Ernst-I have had 200 small objects before placed in scene under Poser 5 without any problems before. I think it may have something to do with parenting 150 objects to one object that's the root. I'm going back to my pre-parented version, copy it, and try parenting again. As for Modelling programs I have 3 or 4 from Wings 3D to Carrera and don't know how to use either of them. I was just starting to learn Carrera when I was introduced to Poser4 four months ago and have been addicted ever since. Ockham- All values are there and match up properly. If I increase the scale on any 145 missing pins nothing changes but the five that are visible do increase in size properly. Oh well, back version 2 and re-parenting. Will post the results in while. Just got up and need some caffeine before I get too deep. Thanks again all for your thoughts and help!