On closeup he does have a 5 o'clock shadow on chin, jawline, and up to sideburns. Since it's part of the texture map it won't well unitl I create the bump file for it. Karen, his face is made from a pale european male photos and the body was a medium res photo-skin texture I already had created. I would rather have the body paler so I didn't have to tint the face skin to match, however, this was supposed to be a quickie experiment that's turned into a project. I'll try to come up with an acceptable lighter-skinned texture for the body as well. For now, think of him as being mixed hispanic and eastern european! Thanks for the comments again. I will utilize them all one way or another!