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Subject: Prude I am not, but...
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Here at R'osity, there's a "no torture" bit. Don't know how that applies to linked sites... The image that actually made me raise a brow was the one with the PT nursing a child half her size while the PS girl looks on. I mean, sure she looks every bit of 12, but she's really 18, right? Or a 3000 year old fairy, sure... :)
I'm turning off ebots because I have a feeling this is going to get controversial. :(
Message edited on: 07/03/2004 14:56
someone must have changed the images because I can't find any
"roasting teenage girls over an open fire" image on that website...all I see is a girl in a bikini and a girl in bikini underwear... ahhhh, ok, I see on their front page an small image of naked women standing around and there are fire torch lights around the room...I don't see any roasting teenage girls anywhere...
Message edited on: 07/03/2004 15:10
Maybe you should deleat your post and not draw attention to it then. There are many sites with pictures in them I don't like, many others consider art. It's only my opinion and I have the choice to leave and not visit again. I don't think it's good to cut down anothers work on this forum or anyother.
hmm..I see a sad joke about 'shrimp on the barbie' in here somewhere..I seen it..frankly, the whole cutesie little characters with fully developed bodies creeps me out sometimes..of course, being the old f*rt I am, I go for mature models meself..;)
I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit
anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)
Pakled; you have the numbers for any of these mature models?
winter200; so anything goes as long as the creator of the image claims it's art? I can see circumstances in which an image of roasting a teenager could be art, images depicting something horrible that happened in warfare for instance, but when it's obviously for pure sexual gratification then NO. Someone who makes an image like that has a problem, ignoring it reinforces their belief that those fantacies are OK with the rest of us. Are they OK with you?
John
We were talking about this issue in my English class recently, (I just turned 18, BTW, so I guess I qualify as a youngin'). My English teacher was talking about how fashion seems to be moving in a direction that invokes images of young children (the short school girl kilt for example) and how it has become stylish recently for women to shave their pubic hair (can I say that here? Oh well) which also brings to mind images of young girls. She thought it encouraged pedophilia, which at this time is three times as common as schizophrenia, I believe. Now I'm not saying anybody is encouraging pedophilia by making art, it just made me think of the debate. I agree that there shouldn't be a link to sites containing images like that from here. If only for the reason that if somebody wants to see that, they can search for it and those of us who are here are merely unsuspecting and innocent bystanders who might surf by accidentally.
Well, technically roasting someone isn't actually torture lol. It's cannibalism. I'm a big fan of shaved pubic hair, but I get really tired of people, through some absurd misleap of logic, connecting it with pedophilia. And it's not some new fad, or just now popular. It's been popular for centuries.
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So 'osity is suppose to be the guardian of all internet content too. jeeese That means almost every site shouldn't be linked too- everyone of them has SOMETHING you WILL disagree with. Especially sites that also have public upload pages! Your over reaching in what control or power you think this site has or can use.
I thought we were ARTISTS NOT stodgy over-fed CONGRESSMEN!! Artists have the unique abillity to view the Human species which covers MAN, WOMAN,AND CHILD as an artistic FORM,unmatched by any other creature on the planet!(Primates don't count...They still have fur extruding canines ,and under developed thumbs ;^)! THIS PRUDISH CRAP that's BOGGED down my fellow country men's attitude really IRRITATES THE HAILL OUT OF ME!! SO FARRGIN' WHAT!? Victoria 1 Micheal 1 ,and even The BOULDER-Joweled Steph got revisions to their forms. Do you know that because of the MORAL UPROAR that would probably arise from this that Daz(R)hasn't even MADE a MALE pre-pubescent model or any revision to the PT,and PS models!? And I'M OBVIOUSLY refering to the Joints, and the ANATOMICAL ACCURACY {Not genitalia!}But also the facial, and versatility of such improvements such as with the M3,V3,and S3 models. Remember THIS is a ARTISTIC WORLD COMMUNITY, and the rest of the world DOES'NT share our Puritanical misgivings with art! WHO CARES about pointless PERVERTS who LEER at anything that moves? QUIT watching Dateline, and N.I.M.B.Y endorsed Programming, and take a walk OUT of the SUBURBS for once! We are LUCKY to be born in a country that isn't WRACKED by war,pestilance, and FAMINE! ANY person from a 3rd world country would LAUGH,and MOCK This kind of BLUBBERING about a PRE-ADOLECENT pile-o-polygons IN a silly-little virtual BIKINI!
As I suspected, it's NOT an American site! They certainly don't cling to the OUTDATED Ideas concerning art! It's a gothic inspired theme Aimed at the adult intelectual not a silly pervert inspired site which You've described. IF someone gets a peverse thrill out of it,then THAT's on THEM! You are an intelligent, compassionate person who takes other people into consideration, so It might make you wince a bit but There will ALWAYS be a dark element out there! Better to STEEL yourself for it, then to hide from it!
The Freestuff items have been removed. Although links to the actual download product did not contain material that would be of a Rosity violation - several images within the site did violate Renderosity's Terms of Service due to their x-rated sexual content. "[no}... Advertising or linking to any publications and/or web sites that are ... pornographic in nature."
"ANY person from a 3rd world country would LAUGH,and MOCK This kind of BLUBBERING about a PRE-ADOLECENT pile-o-polygons IN a silly-little virtual BIKINI!" ================================================================= This is the ONLY quote that can be cosidered "Personal" Which I used in the above statement. After this post IT shall be considered Edited to portray My original general comment concerning the easily offended, and their eagerness in implimenting BLANKET solutions to problems which can be easily disscussed with the Offending party! Unfortunately this "OT" forum controversy was before My time when I came back to this community, so I don't have the Unfortuneate luxaury of hindsight, But I can see as evidenced By people's REACTIONS to the controversy that surrounded this "OT forum
Message edited on: 07/04/2004 14:48
Lucifer The Dark;
bonestructure;
"Well, technically roasting someone isn't actually torture lol. It's cannibalism."
Not until you start eating them it isn't. Though I guess marinading them first might be taken as evidence of intent.
geoegress;
No, no and this site can, and does (when they know about it) control what they link to.
takezo3001;
a tip from someone who's been using NG's and forums for as long as they've been around: OVERUSE of CAPITALS does NOT make you RIGHT, just IMPOSSIBLE to read.
John
Ok everyone - Me thinks we are getting a wee bit off topic ;] Again - Recapping: The point of this thread was not concerning the actual download of the freestuff image - but the images on the site that the download was linked. Images on the freestuff download site were deemed pornographic - thus the freestuff items were removed due to the following Renderosity TOS: "[no}... Advertising or linking to any publications and/or web sites that are ... pornographic in nature." This matter has been resolved! Dee-Marie Rosity Admin
As an off note to lhiannon's comment what is wrong with a young girl nursing? I was 17 when I had my oldest (married at 16, pregnant 3 months later) and I certainly nursed him. When I had my 2nd son 2 years later I nursed him as well. Imean really if you are going to have them you really should breast feed them. Ok - go ahead and yell now - just wanted to throw that thought in there as a response to that particular comment.
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LadySilverMage: First off, it's lhiannan, not lhiannon. Second, 16 is NOT 12. And if you'd looked at the image in question, I seriously doubt you would have waited 30 comments to respond to someone who had announced she had ebots turned off. I had to be alerted by someone else that you'd even responded to me.
lhiannan - I wasn't actually responding to you but to your comment - I waited 30 comments because some of us actually go on vacation on occasion and I'm only just catching up with things after 2 weeks gone. (yes I am responding to you now because you addressed me, while I said I was addressing your comment). No I didn't see the image because I wasn't going to search for it, nor did you say originally that they were all nude.
Even then there are times when a mother and children would be nude, I often showered my babies with me - they loved they shower more than the bath, so mother and child would be nude, if the third child was waiting or running off to bathe it is conceivable they would all be nude - probably not the case but it is possible.
Furthermore just because it is the pre-teen model doesn't mean it actually is the pre-teen ya know?
Seriously my sister-in-law has smaller breasts than my 11 year old and she is 26. In fact the SIL loves to pretend she is a teenager, for months everyone thought she was a pregnant teen being forced to keep the baby against her will, until I found out what she was doing - at that time she was 24. (yes she has serious issues). Point being that even people don't look their age anymore.
Very few people appreciated the bill before Congress that would determine what was in the mind of the creator when they made an image. Yet here in an artist's community we often read posts by other artists who judge what they perceive or believe the artist was trying to convey. Sure the image in question may have been done by a perv, than again the artist may have been depicting a scene within their own family - one never really knows, especially in this time when babies are having babies and that was my point.
Spelling error - my apologies. It wasn't personal. In fact in general my posts are not personal anyhow, just personal observations.
Message edited on: 07/07/2004 09:11
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intended us to forgo their use.
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Folks, it's just polygons. No electrons are harmed in the creation of art. I understand the concern, I really do. I just think it's overblown. Artists have been doing nudes, adults and children, forever. Why should 3D art be any different. Ever seen David Hamilton's photographs? Most people consider them to be child porn. Hell, even I consider some of them to be questionable. But he's a well respected photographer whose books you can find in most good bookstores, even though his subject is the sexuality of 13 to 16 year old girls. I'm not offended by much. Child porn does offend me and I've been responsible for getting a few people busted, and probably will be again if I get the chance. But polygon crunching isn't the same thing. I'm not saying 3D artists should go crazy doing naked kids and crap, though it's probably out there. But the subject of this post was on the line a bit in terms of political correctness, which I truly despise. I hope someone just shoots me should I become politically correct. And, I had at least one image removed because the subject was naked and flat chested. Which did offend me because every woman I've ever been involved with has been flat chested and, preferably, naked. And mine was just a pinup shot, which I thought was quite good. I understand Rosity's desire to protect their naive members, but I didn't see any porn on the site. Bad art yes, but nothing terribly offensive. But hell, they removed the OT forum unfairly, so what do I know. My wife and I were nudists. I've been one for years. Our kids saw us naked and thought nothing of it, and frankly I find that a far healthier and saner attitude than people getting all excited because they were traumatized by naked polygons. If you want to be offended, don't be offended by nudity, which is a very traditional and well respected artistic subject. Be offended by bad art and overly politically correct attitudes.
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Bonestructure, I have no problems with nudity, except for the way I look in that condition. The problem I had with the site was with the torture images. Those images would definitely have earned a movie an X rating, if they'd been allowed at all, and as such should not have been linked to from this site.
As for political correctness, I'm against extremism of any kind, libertarian or anti. We've all got to inhabit the same world, so we all have to accept some curtailment of our liberties, and the freedom to display those images isn't worth fighting for. After all they're only polygons.
John
Set standards. please Please tell me how many pubic hairs she must have to be legal? Is one enought? 6? 234? What is the minimum cup size? A? D? triple F? lol Is there a desired cheek bone placement that if it goes under it's considered too young looking? What about the waist to hip ratio, most good looking adults have a 7 to 10 ratio. Is a 8 to 10 just fat or is it baby fat? And what about race, huh, Japanese and other asians look younger because of all the above. So is it only going to be ok to make small breasted woman of asian decent? Polygons are not people We as artist ARE the embodyiement of Speech. It is up to US to raise the cry of censorship when it comes a knocking, like it is now on this site and in congress. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. But the road to freedom must allways be jeliously, religiously guarded. It must be given voice, even if against the "TOS". The intentions of such laws are honerable but imposible to impliment. It's a slipery sloop. "When they came for me there was no one left............"
"22. Re: Prude I am not, but... by deemarie on 7/4/04 14:08 The Freestuff items have been removed. Although links to the actual download product did not contain material that would be of a Rosity violation - several images within the site did violate Renderosity's Terms of Service due to their x-rated sexual content. "[no}... Advertising or linking to any publications and/or web sites that are ... pornographic in nature."....." ...well I hate to labour a point ( don't you believe it! ) but as 'osity well knows, there are links to pornographic images on the front page, you know the ones I am thinking of in particular, don't you?....and I ain't even talking pubic hair!, just basic rape. Hi! everyone. 
Okay drivers, the warning flags are out... caution is recommended. Stay on track, without personal attacks, or we'll call it a day, and stop the race. And Brendan, I don't know which links you are referring to, so please feel free to send me an IM regarding the matter. Best wishes to all, LillianH Renderosity Marketing & Promotions
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OK, last attempt. I have no objection to nudity in any shape, form or apparent age. Number and density of pubes are of no interest to me, nor width of hip etc.
The site I compained about depicted scenes of torture, not nice comfy S&M people going about their consenting business, but a frightened person being roasted alive.
I am not a Nazi, I am not looking to start a holocaust. I do believe that there is sufficient evidence to support the view that widespread acceptance of such images reinforces the belief in some individuals that such fantacies are acceptable in practice. There's also a ton of evidence that says the opposite, but the quality of the images on that just ain't worth the risk.
Anybody actually read what I've written here, or will you just keep responding to what you want to read?
I give up.
John
selective violance by type is ok then huh?
blame a 3rd party instead of the person doing it. LOL, as a liberal I make a more consistant republican then the conservatives, lol.
As artist it is our job and the cross that WE bare to push the envelope.
To make if possible people think.
To induce an emotional response.
These threads do tend to drift a little jwhitham, relax. LOL- I had a simple question last week that drifted so far OT that it got moved into another forum, no big deal. :)
nails in the coffin- enought nails and your stuck for life ( a very short one )
Message edited on: 07/08/2004 19:44
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...the site link from the "Bikini for Preteen Vicki" that just appeared in Free Stuff goes a bit far. There may be nothing specifically mentioned in Renderosity TOS about not roasting teenage girls over an open fire, but...
John