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where do yo get sp2??? its not released yet, is it???

Attached Link: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=049C9DBE-3B8E-4F30-8245-9E368D3CDB5A&displ

NOTE: The download is 266mg

It's been released to manufacturing, so it's already available to some of their "channel partners" as well as subscribers to MSDN.

any ideas what is different in this versus the download for a single computer? 266meg isn't too bad on broadband....but I'm only installing on one system

If you use Vue Professional, I wouldn't recommend SP2 at this time.

Whoops. I use Vue Pro (but not often lately). It's actually 279MB (as if that makes a difference).

Here's a quote from the Microsoft site: "DO NOT CLICK DOWNLOAD IF YOU ARE UPDATING JUST ONE COMPUTER: A smaller, more appropriate download will be available soon on Windows Update. " Note, I'm downloading it anyway, since I have broadband.

"If you use Vue Professional, I wouldn't recommend SP2 at this time." Why not? For what its worth I have been runnign the betas for months now (I am an MSDN subscriber) and have had no problems. The update is rock solid.

I'll put money down that with Vue Pro, this is an OpenGL/DirectX 9c issue. Let's face it, I still get complaints from Vue Pro about an NVidia GeForceFX 5900 Ultra with the latest drivers. They want you to spend $600+ on a Quadro card - yeah, okay. Poser, C4D R8.5 and XL 7.3, and LightWave 8.0 all seem to run fine under SP2. I did love the new Firewall announcing something about Poser 5 sending information and wanting to block. Coool! ;0)

A user in the Vue forum is having pretty nasty problems with Vue post SP2 install.

If you go through Windows Update, when it's available, you'll get just the bits you need - no updates you already have, no parts that don't apply to you (eg XP Pro vs XP Home). The advantage of getting the IT version is that you can do several machines from it, and you can burn it to CD in case you need to reinstall later (ideally you should keep copies of the really important interim fixes as they are issued, for the same reason, but who is that disciplined?). That way you can have your machine fairly secure before going on-line to top up with any other updates.

Another good reason (before SP2 anyway) is that if you install XP and then proceed to connect to the internet, you'll immediately get a virus. You have to install a security update first which can be saved just for this situation, otherwise, how do you get the update before getting the virus (you cannot).

"how do you get the update before getting the virus (you cannot)" !!!!ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE!!!!! I'm a Director of IT and run a network that with facilities in two states, 45 sales people state side and two international folks, I run Mcaffe Virus suite - when the "love bug" we were in the process of implementing Mcaffe as our corporate platform. Since that time we have had NO VIRUS GET THRU. (knock on wood). Run a GOOD virus protection system.

I do 24/7, but NAV must be ACTIVATED!!!! (and have its virus lists/etc. updated) ONLINE!!! before it actually protects my system during a clean install. Unless you have the latest version (mine is 2002 with updates coming from Norton online), you are vulnerable immediately upon connecting to the internet (takes about, oh, 0.0002 milliseconds for the virus to find your system). ;) So, in my case (with an always-on T1), I must orchestrate starting up NAV with connecting (enabling my wireless) to the internet. They really need to fix this (maybe allow a data backup of critical virus protections to install after NAV and before connecting).

kuroyume0161, do you have a NAT between you and your T1?

I'm a bit confused here. If you set your firewall, use a router, or some such..then do not do any emails...not even set that up until you get your AV in place... or even have a fairly current install of your AV always handy.... then do MS updates prior to going anywhere else online...shouldn't you be fine? About 99% of the viruses arrive via MS Outlook... most of the spybots and stuff come from web sites..and installing crap like Real stuff.... The viruses don't just normally come flying through open ports and stuff....unless maybe you're not reformatting prior to install or something and they're still active on your system. or do I have it all wrong?

You should always disable your antivirus before doing any software install. That's because your AV program thinks even an innocent software install is a virus, and fights against the install. Then you're immediately open to the Virus when you install Windows XP and go for the updates. The ideal solution is to get the Windows XP updates on CD, and install them immediately after installing Windows XP. By the way, viruses can come from many sources such as downloads or emails. Many of the viruses I've received in the past few years came from trusted sources: friends, and in one case, from a computer shop that "fixed" my computer. That shop will never get any more of my business... their attitude sucked, so I never bothered to inform them of the little "gift" they sent along.

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@Dave-So: The new breed of worms automatically attack ports and security holes in the operating system. If there are computers on your network that have been infected by these, they automatically begin broadcasting the viruses across the network. Once you connect a newly installed PC without a firewall or antivirus software, you will be attacked as soon as you connect.

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Ummm... not in my experience. If you take the follwoing steps: 1) set up XP 2) set up your internet connection 3) do a windows update 4) reboot when finished You will in my experience NOT get a virus between 2 and 3 unless you do something silly liek set up email or download something. There are no Windows Xp vulnerabilities I knwo fo that are enabled by default. That doesnt mean I can't be wrong (let me know) I just don't know of any.

Attached Link: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS04-012.mspx

A newly installed Windows XP can be remotely controlled by someone with the proper tools. Since very young folks have access to these kits, that is just about any one.

Look at the enclosed URL for Microsoft's view of one of them. The spot to check is down in the "General Information" section, hidden behind a + called "Vulnerability Details". Look at RPC Runtime Library Vulnerability - CAN-2003-0813.

This one is enabled by default.