Oh... and it's absolutely FREE....

Is anyone besides me growing weary of hearing this as a universal comment to fix whatever your Bryce problem might be. 'I can't export Bryce models.' answer: 'get Wings3d'... 'I can't figure out this terrain editor'...'get Wings3d'... 'I can't get my sky to look realistic'...'model one in Wings3d'... 'Where's the menu bar in Bryce 5'...'It's hidden, but you can model one in Wings3d'. 8D

We know that you guys like Wings... we've heard it already... I prefer Carrara, but I don't try to force it down people's throats... It's becoming like one of those bad commercials on late night TV. The Cure-For-Everything... Call 1-800-Wings3d... that number again is 1-800-Wings3d... Call now, 1-800-Wings3d... For those that missed it the first 17 times, that number is 1-800-Wings3d... Call Now.. and if you call within the next 10 minutes, you'll get an extra copy of Wings3d... absolutely free... Don't wait... Call now.

This message has been brought to you by the Citizens Against Citizens For Wings3D... FWTempest now removes tongue from cheek and climbs solemnly down off of his soapbox, while being pelted with a barrage of detailed vertex models, with lovely bevelled edges... all of them absolutely free...

;) ... keep rendering, whatever the tool.

Message edited on: 09/23/2004 07:47

AH! Another Bryce Purist. I'm in good company here! Nice to see someone else who believes you can solve every problem by using BRYCE and some brain-power. ....besides, SILO is MUCH better than Wings3d......;-)

Nah. Use Rhino. :-)

when they come up with a free version of Carrara or Silo..let's talk..;) hey, there's Amapi, there's Marble Clay, Blender, Anim8tor, whatever blows yer skirt up. I'm not saying that Wings 3d is the answer to everything, it may be just a step up to better things, but we're not trying to force anyone to use it..;)
Wings User's local 509..;)

100% Pure Bryce all the way!!!

Well i can only say i like Bryce. I have wings 3d now which i downloaded to day but haven't started using it, then again like most 3d modeling programs i'll open it then sit her scratching my head wondering where or what do i do now :)

i'm with the Bryce purists, (but combined with my Autocad modelling) . i tried but i honestly cant figure out how to 'Wing-It', but i'm still impressed by what those who can, do achieve.

ROTFL, I'll start my own group 'Max users who also use Bryce a bit and would rather more people owned Max, but also want better modelling in Bryce native application!'

LMAO... there you go... now we're getting into the spirit of the thing... :)

"I prefer Carrara, but I don't try to force it down people's throats.." I don't think that people (including me!) are trying to force Wings down anyone's throat. But you CAN'T do everything in Bryce, sometimes you need to make/import a model. You can go searching to download a free one, or - if you have a limited budget - you can download a free modelling app and learn to model with that. Wings is a good app, and a handy introduction to modelling for a lot of people. People ask for advice, and people proffer advice from their own experience. Should we run advice by you for approval first?

So much for the spirit of the thing.... No, dearie....

First of all this was very tongue-in-cheek, all in good fun.. please refer to the last lines of my original post.

Secondly, though, do a search in the Bryce forum for Wings3D... it gets brought up A LOT... There are probably more posts about Wings3D in this forum than in the Wings forum. That's the point I was trying to make. Use whatever programs you want, advise others to use it.. it is a good modelling app. It just gets to sound like a broken record around here... which is the phrasology I should've used in the first place, rather than "...force it down people's throats"... that one does have rather negative connotations and I apologize for using the phrase.... Unfortunately, it was too late to edit the original post when I realized this.

Message edited on: 09/23/2004 11:23

also... in hindsight, I should've named the organization 'Citizens Against Wings3D Fanatacism - CAWF'... I, personally, think that would've been much funnier... once again, too late to edit...

Keep Rendering...Whatever The Tool

BTW... I've used Wings to add bevels to vertex models, which Carrara doesn't do too well... yet... 8D

Message edited on: 09/23/2004 11:34

FWTempest go to your room, you bad person. you didn't tell us you were joking about wings 3d ;) Hey i have a record done by wings. oh sorry that Paul whats his name and wings.

Drac, where the h@ll are you when we need you? Some of your, (chuckle), diplomacy is needed!

Now I'm taking a course in Rhino at my local C.C.(academic discounts,yeee haw!) so I'll probably be doubly annoying. You'll probably have to come up with a different organization for that one...lets see, how about C.A.R.E., citizens against Rhino enthusiasts? Now I can push Wings and Rhino,lol!

diplomacy is needed well we might make this the bryce wings and blender forum and convince DAZ that they should make bryce 6 the ultimate landscape generator plugin :P

What's Wings 3D again? (grins)

LOL It's a mediocre program that Bryce purists like you and me have no need for.

I wish I'd been able to get a picture but I swear to god that I saw this today for the first time ever. As I walked in the city I work in, not more than a few hours after reading this thread, I saw a bright yellow car drive by that said ... 1-800-??WINGS. It drove by so fast I didn't catch the whole number. I just stood there wishing I'd been able to snap a pic of it to put up in this forum. Talk about coincidences.

/me yawns yeah, no one's forcing anything down anyone's throats. we all use whatever other outside modeller suits us. it's just that there is no other modeller out there which has the ease of use wings has for newbies and what not. add to that a pretty flat learning curve and you've got a good modeller. drac (advertising it till the day i die)

Well, going through Amapi, then Strata, then Anim8tor, then Wings..I just sorta ended up this way..twitch, twitch..;) I've got Carrara, Cinema 4d, a Lightwave demo I've never loaded, wouldn't put them down..just whatever works for ya..

Yay! Another prog for Bryce purists to attack! "Die Poser die! And now Wings3d! Who's next?!?! I SEE ONLY BRYCE SHAPES!!!!!" ;)

i see dead poser people :D

Pardon my ignorance, but why would anyone want to be a "purist" in any application? Is it because when the company that creates the software suddenly decides not to anymore, you enjoy staying 10 years behind the rest of the 3D world in terms of progress? Or is it the fact of having spent the last several years of your life having learned a particular application inside and out, and the prospect of doing that all over again frightens the bejesus out of you?

I'm just clueless as to why some people seem so "die hard" that they would reject another application's integration into their workflow? In this case, I suppose it would be Bryce/Wings or Bryce/DAZStudio.

Not trying to start a war, just trying to understand. This isn't something unique to Bryce by any means, I've seen this with Poser users as well, and sometimes even with the more expensive apps (not as common though). So what's the deal?

" i see dead poser people" HAHA!! :D That's an excellent title for a future pic!

Maxxxmodelz: Why do people stick to painting in oils when they could use a pc and forget the messy cleaning of brushes etc? answer - it's their prefered medium. Brycers simply prefer Bryce. There's also a million other reasons, price, ease of use, friendly UI, great support that is passed on by other users, great results. OK so nobody is going to make STAR WARS or LOTR movies here, but we have a lot of fun otherwise. Plus it's fun showing people that it's not just a 'landscaper'.

Well, I have to go with Maxxmodelz, I use whatever I want to use to get the effect I want (if I can!!)

maxxxmodelz, not everyone who uses Bryce has a 'purist' approach. And it's only a fun thing, anyway.

It probably started as a response to the dreadful 3D snobbery Bryce users suffered at the hands of people who regarded themselves as 'serious 3D artists' (mostly users of pirate copies of 3D Studio Max). A sort of sport developed in being able to do amazing things with this supposedly 'toy' program.

There are different types of 'purism', too. Brycers like draculaz and Ornlu have a fairly deep preference for doing everything themselves, rather than using the work of other people. They don't mind non-Bryce stuff, so as they created it. Bloody slackers, mind you, for using a program somebody else wrote. ;-)

My little purism sadness is to do as much as possible in the Bryce render, rather than post-edit in another program. There's no sense to this at all. It's just for fun.

Why do Wingsnuts (like myself) say that? 1.) Because the program REALLY is good. It does what it's supposed to. No frills. No spyware. No bogus extras. No grandiose claims of what can be done. (Not including what is said by experienced 3D modelers.) Just box-style subdivision modeling plain and simple. 2.) It's free, if for some reason you don't like it - no money from your pocket. 3.) If you bother checking the Ezboard and Renderosity forums, PuzzledPaul's website, and some other places - you'll find that it's pretty quick to learn. The interface is pretty intuitive if you bother spending a few hours with it. There's no digging through heavy layers of submenus in order to perform a specific operation. 4.) People don't have to pull their hair out figuring how to get blended organic shapes with booleans. I'm not against people using other external programs for modeling, but then again what else competes in the $0 market? (For the price of one lint-wad or the time it takes to download basically. LOL!) If you have the money to spend and another program suits you, then more power to you! * Then again there are some people who couldn't model anything in Wings. (Sorry, no "make art" button in this program either.) In fact there are people who can't model things in 3D period! Then it's up to them to either find the thing they're looking for or ask politely for someone to model it. (Yep, some folks are even kind enough to do this for free if they have the time.)

maxxxmodelz, unlike you and manyothers on this forum it may take me well over 12 months before i can get the hang of using bryce let alone any 3d modeling program. If i wish to stick with bryce and in ten years time when you and 1000s of others are up to date with all the new programs out then so be it. I'll be fine with that will you :)

"maxxxmodelz, unlike you and manyothers on this forum it may take me well over 12 months before i can get the hang of using bryce let alone any 3d modeling program." I've had Bryce for a while now, and I still have yet to grasp it fully. On the other hand, 3dsMax only took me about 4 months before I was modeling and rendering animations with particle effects and camera mapping. So far, I haven't been succesful at making textures in Bryce yet!! LOL Go figure. ;-)

sorry for the attitude maxx, hey mate there is a lot of things i can't do in Bryce yet. Like building a city up and placing it in th background of an image with out it looking out of line(obscured) or doing a scenerey without getting the ground near the camera to look like it was dragged under something before it was used. Making a texture in bryce, that's a new one on me. Here i was thinking you would need something like paintshop or photoshop to do that LOL.

"getting the ground near the camera to look like it was dragged under something before it was used." Hate that :o( you could experiment, doing things like placing a rock with the same texture in the foreground, but looking like a bump in the terrain. covered with the same mat, you could increase the frequency of the mat so it looked convincing? Attached is a quick'n'dirty example. The left part of the image is how it looked with just one terrain, at default resolution setting (in the terrain editor). The right part of the image, I duplicated the terrain, scaled it down a lot, applied a different material (bright blue) so I could identify it's position in the small preview window), got it positioned where I wanted it (close to the camera, and slanting slightly away). Then I went back into the terrain editor and increased the resolution to 512x512, then went into the texture editor, applied the same texture as on the other terrain (new mexico cliffs), and increased the frequency of the material from 12% to 60%. I'll post another screenshot of where you can find the terrain and texture settings to mess with :o)

Just in case you don't know where to mess with the settings - here's a couple of screenshots.

For me, another reason to use Wings3d is that is very light on resources - many times, the only pc I can work on is a laptop with a meager Celeron 1800 and 256 Mb of ram, and Bryce is simply unfeasible... :(

thanks pogmahone, i'll mess around with the terrain editor now and see if i can solve my problem. blaufeld, sit back and laugh, cry, die or whatever you want to do after you read this. At the moment the computer i'm using Bryce on is an AMD 350 with 256Mb ram and a 32Mb video card, i have only had one problem using bryce on it and that was when i tried to import an obj file which i mentioned in another posting.

LunarTick, at least your pc has 32mb of video! Mine has 16 Mb :P... :D

@PJF, yeah there do appear to be a lot of warez copies of Max around. Think how it feels to have a legal copy and be cr@p with it (like me! :( )