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Subject: Insulted by an admin, anyone cares ?


faveral ( ) posted Fri, 22 October 2004 at 4:05 PM · edited Mon, 23 December 2024 at 11:03 AM

Hi, After expressing my views about the relationships between the US and Israel in this thread : http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12456&Form.ShowMessage=1973141, this is the answer I got from tutone1234: "faveral - it's very clear now why you hate America so much. I didn't really figure you for the anti-semitic Hitler type, even though you despise your countrymen to the extent that you do. Read Mein Kempf lately? Geez." Anyone on this site care to tell tutone1234 that such personnal attacks directly violate the TOS ? I don't suspect Renderosity condones any of their admins insulting any of their members in such a way.


tutone1234 ( ) posted Fri, 22 October 2004 at 5:36 PM

Is it a personnal attack to point out the anti-American and anti-Israel positions that you take on every issue? As you can see, I stated that I didn't figure you for the anti-Semitic type until your "all of this is Israel's fault" post. My point was that your statement was starting to sound alot like Mein Kempf in perspective. You were the one that said that you HATE me and any Americans like me that support our nation and our troops in a previous thread. Should I take that as a personal attack as well? That was far more personal. If you misunderstood my response then I do apologize.


Khai ( ) posted Fri, 22 October 2004 at 6:37 PM

right! tutone, it is not appropriate for you to comment any further. can we have Spike or someone in here please.


mateo_sancarlos ( ) posted Fri, 22 October 2004 at 6:47 PM

Tutone, don't let them rile you like that. You have to read what they say with the knowledge that they're upset by world events and are hoping for some kind of change for the better. If there's a diplomatic means to counter their arguments, use it. If there's even the slightest possibility of reaching some common ground, seek it.


spothmann ( ) posted Fri, 22 October 2004 at 8:19 PM

Just for the records: It is called "Mein Kampf", not "Kempf" - the word "Kempf" does not exist in the german language. And I personally think that everyone should have read it at least once - if you want to know the enemy, you have to find out how he thinks. Yes I live in Germany and yes I am German; but I am not a Nazi nor do I sympathize with them in any way. I am 33 years old and can certainly not be held responsible for what happened 30 years or more before my birth. But I still wonder why each time it comes to racial / ethnical issues, the Nazi insult is dragged in. Hey, you have the KKK in the USA - while they did not make war with the whole world, they still basically have the same ideas as the Nazis. Why not stay in your own country when it comes to insult someone with something? ;-) Anyone who finds the sarcasm in this posting may keep it.


dlk30341 ( ) posted Fri, 22 October 2004 at 8:27 PM

There goes the Den....falling back into the old nothing but political crap...just great >:(. And by the way it's NOT appropiate for ANYONE to say they hate Americans or any other nationality...period. Hate is what is causing all the upset everywhere. I'm including Republicans vs Democrats as well. Hate, what a waste of time/mental energy & physical strenght/health. Very sad.


Jumpstartme2 ( ) posted Fri, 22 October 2004 at 9:08 PM

I agree Dlk30341... And as for the den falling into the same ol' same ol'...heh, when was it ever not? ;)

~Jani

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bjergtrold ( ) posted Sat, 23 October 2004 at 3:26 AM

Ho hum, same old crap. Renderosity is just such a scary fucked-up place.

You know what is right for you. I know what is right for me.


Natolii ( ) posted Sat, 23 October 2004 at 7:25 AM

While I don't feel Anti-semitic or anti-american speech is not appropriate, The fact that Twotone is an admin means he need to set an example and not respond in turn. I find it unprofessional in the extreme that an admin takes such a stance. I'm not obsolving the person that led to the comments, but Hate Speech should not be tolerated PERIOD. I was a moderator for another company and a comment such as that would have led to you being removed from the program and loosing your account. Hate speech of any type should be zero tolerance.


XENOPHONZ ( ) posted Sat, 23 October 2004 at 9:00 AM

Political threads = flame wars.

It's a rule of nature.

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eirian ( ) posted Sat, 23 October 2004 at 9:20 AM

Referring to someone's opinions as anti-semetic or anti-American is not a personal attack. However, bringing Hitler into it quite clearly is a personal attack. That this came from an admin is unprofessional and unacceptable. How can we trust admins to fairly administer a TOS if they violate it with impunity? And, by the way, it's perfectly possible to be anti-Israel without being anti-semetic. Israel has an appalling human rights record. Read the reports from Amnesty some time.


mateo_sancarlos ( ) posted Sat, 23 October 2004 at 2:00 PM

The problem with being anti-Israel is that it implies pro-terrorism. I agree that the situation the Palestinians find themselves in is intolerable, but you have to accompany any criticism of Israel with some appearance of fairness, e.g. condemning the practice of sending teenagers into Israel with homicide vests and killing innocent civilians. If you're monolithically anti-Israel without any trace of criticism of the terrorists, this is when you risk being compared to the Nazis by righteously angry partisans.


kawecki ( ) posted Sat, 23 October 2004 at 5:55 PM

" it's perfectly possible to be anti-Israel without being anti-semetic" It must be remembered that the "semitic" race is not a priviledge of the Jews. Jews, Palestines and Arabs are all semites, so any anti-semitic person is against Palestinians, Arabs and Jews!

Stupidity also evolves!


DarkElegance ( ) posted Sat, 23 October 2004 at 8:59 PM

ok hold up so are all Israelis responsible for such horrendous acts? or is it that it is the terrorists that are. last I checked it is just ignorant to claim a whole race or whole country for every act made by a set of people from that country. that is like saying ohh I don't know all Germans are Nazi(note that is to refer to the post above and to hold with the apparent Hitler theme) it would be obscene and ludicrous. just like saying all Americans are kkk members and do nothing but drink beer and watch sports. it is not right. I am not anti-Israel I am anti terrorist I do not care what country they are from. To condemn one whole country for acts done by SOME of its people is just....silly

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Sasha_Maurice ( ) posted Sat, 23 October 2004 at 9:26 PM

Insulted by an admin, anyone cares ?

Oh for gods sake.

Yep, time to close the den. When the whinyness ooozes out and starts to infect the other forums, its time to get a shot of PC-illin.

sigh


ScottA ( ) posted Sun, 24 October 2004 at 11:02 AM

"Renderosity is just such a scary fucked-up place." That's close. The truth is the 'WORLD' is a "scary fucked up place". Renderosity is just a means for humans to congregate and show it off. -ScottA


bjergtrold ( ) posted Sun, 24 October 2004 at 11:47 AM

The truth is the 'WORLD' is a "scary fucked up place".

I know that.
But in the real world I can do my best to o better my local community. Arguing at Renderosity is like fighting against windmills. Well I hope that I'm under the same misconception as good old 'Don Q' and Renderosity is not a giant, but just so much hot air.

You know what is right for you. I know what is right for me.


spinner ( ) posted Sun, 24 October 2004 at 2:34 PM

Oh look ! It's Tutone making fowum fwends and influencing people again. Sheesh, guys, I thought you'd have introduced sparky here to the concept of a ballgag by now... ~S


DirtyFairy ( ) posted Mon, 25 October 2004 at 12:34 AM

hasnt anyone told you never discuss politics or religion in polite company ;)


rowan_crisp ( ) posted Mon, 25 October 2004 at 6:16 AM

Who said this is polite company? I had no idea tutone was an admin of this site. I'm frankly boggled. And now a nosy question: are admins paid on this site to enforce the TOS? It's nosy, true, but also important, because if there's money involved there is a serious, serious problem. RC


Natolii ( ) posted Mon, 25 October 2004 at 2:51 PM

Rowan, Paid or not, he represents this site and it's a serious problem.


rowan_crisp ( ) posted Mon, 25 October 2004 at 2:53 PM

Oh, I know, Natolii. I'm fairly boggled by this and by the fact that there hasn't been a response from the other admins yet. RC


Natolii ( ) posted Mon, 25 October 2004 at 3:01 PM

Sometimes silence means it's under investigation... Other Times... well you know.. =)


rowan_crisp ( ) posted Mon, 25 October 2004 at 3:51 PM

Heh. Yes. I do. :) RC


Mark_uk ( ) posted Tue, 26 October 2004 at 6:12 AM

I find it very disturbing that an admin at this site is allowed to behave in the way that he does. Just out of interest does anyone know what his role as an admin here is? Apart from been a spokesperson for the far right of course.


elizabyte ( ) posted Tue, 26 October 2004 at 8:05 AM

Just out of interest does anyone know what his role as an admin here is? I believe he's a programmer/code hacker. bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis


Natolii ( ) posted Tue, 26 October 2004 at 9:03 AM · edited Tue, 26 October 2004 at 9:04 AM

Oh, a code monkey...

(Inside joke for Bonni... I'm a programmer myself so I only say this completely tongue-in-cheek.)

Message edited on: 10/26/2004 09:04


elizabyte ( ) posted Tue, 26 October 2004 at 9:58 AM

Oh, a code monkey... Yup, one of them. (Joke accepted, and not only am I married to a programmer, some of my best friends are programmers.) bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis


XENOPHONZ ( ) posted Tue, 26 October 2004 at 10:48 AM

Oh, a code monkey... Uh, oh.......... A personal attack if I ever saw one.

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XENOPHONZ ( ) posted Tue, 26 October 2004 at 10:58 AM

Apart from been a spokesperson for the far right of course.

This is an outrage!

Holding such opinions should represent a serious violation of the TOS!

No one should be allowed to be right! Especially code monkeys! Code monkeys shouldn't be permitted to have any opinions at all. And they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Only those individuals with opinions that aren't right should be allowed to express their ideas.


If the goal is "peace" -- then all political discussion should be disallowed.

Don't allow anyone to express an opinion -- then people won't be offended. Sometimes, anyway.

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tim ( ) posted Tue, 26 October 2004 at 11:06 AM
Site Admin

Guys, Thanks for bringing this issue to our attention. It has been addressed internally and I do not expect it to happen again. Locking thread now. Tim


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