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Subject: Three reasons to get the Young Teen


SWAMP ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 5:04 AM · edited Tue, 11 February 2025 at 12:04 AM

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Forget the morph pack....... With just MorphManager you can set them up to take Vic3,StephP,David,and M3 morph inj...and any of the custom morphs. And they don't have macaroni shoulders!


SWAMP ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 5:05 AM

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Bend them over and the butt doesnt explode. And they don't have macaroni shoulders!


SWAMP ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 5:06 AM

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And they DONT have macaroni shoulders!!! Now if some older clothes start being made for them.hint, hint. SWAMP PS did I mention their shoulders look a lot better?


Rendy ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 5:46 AM

No macaroni shoulders!


SWAMP ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 5:57 AM

Or cheese butt!


jehllm ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 6:25 AM

speaking of morph manager, does anyone know how to get the buttock morphs to export for V1, V2? the program crashes when I try and export those, exports almost everything else. sorry to divert the thread, but this has been a problem for a long time.


mathman ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 6:26 AM

Hey they don't have macaroni shoulders !! :) ...or ragdoll arms either.


Hawke ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 7:57 AM

Lol - just bought them and found this post, v handy tip about morphmanager - thanks SWAMP :D


lululee ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 8:31 AM

If I want to make a character with the teens for distribution, can I put the V3morphs in with morph manager then make an injection pose file to inject the morphs? cheerio lululee


Momcat ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 8:43 AM

Yes, but you will need to include instructions for the end user about transferring morphs via MM and the required morph packs....and yeah...that's why I bought them too.


Dale B ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 9:08 AM

Very nice, SWAMP! Expands the character pool considerably....


xoconostle ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 10:11 AM

Thank you very much for sharing the suggestions and renders, SWAMP. I've been undecided about L&L, but you make a good case for some of the strong points. I wonder, though, why did you say skip the default morphs? I'd be especially interested in knowing what people think of the facial morphs ... e.g. do they allow for reasonable ethnic morphing, strong expressions without significant mesh problems?


Byrdie ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 10:33 AM

So how would I do this? I've heard of Morph Manager but never used it. Is there a Morph Swapping for Dummies book around :-)


SWAMP ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 10:47 AM

Well I said to skip the default morph pack,because they have nothing to offer that the Vic3 (or Steph) morphs don't already have.....and they work just the same. The head morphs give you the basic important morphs,but the body morphs are very limited. You would have to wait for the expansion morph pack...then the expansion to the expansion morph pack,to do what ten min. in MorphManger can do for you now.


xoconostle ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 10:55 AM

Gotcha. Thanks again!


Tashar59 ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 12:23 PM

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This is a WIP with the French face, Pookie texture. Don't forget to load a pose first into MM. This way all PBM will work. You won't have to set each body part. I used a V3 pose then loaded the teen, then did the same with a full inject V3 in the other side. The teens really do bend better, even the PT version, which is handy for all the old clothes.


SWAMP ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 1:42 PM

beryld,I like that....nice soft features. Really good work. BTW...I noticed you said "with a full inject V3". I saw someone else mention that in another thread. No need to inject the morphs for either figure before you open them in MM. What needs to be copied/transfered between the two figures to make the injection system work,is already in the cr2. Just takes a hell of a lot longer for MM to do it's thing.


STORM3 ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 1:55 PM · edited Mon, 01 November 2004 at 1:55 PM

Is there a detailed explanation anywhere of how to do this and what values to transfer?

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Letterworks ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 2:01 PM

Just a place holder in hopes someone will answer Byrdie and STORM's question. I'd really like a detailed explanation of this too.


PapaBlueMarlin ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 3:20 PM

Isn't she a bit overdeveloped for a preteen?



Xena ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 3:31 PM

She's not a 'pre-teen'. They are marketed as Millennium 'Teens'.


ynsaen ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 4:06 PM

I read her as being a Young Teen. Now that means there are the preschool kids (roughly 5), the pre-teen kids (say, 10 to 12), and now Young Teens (looks about 13 to 15 to me). Since David and Steph can become younger fairly easily and were more or less meant as the "petite" and younger versions, I place them at between 18 and 25, and then V3 and Mike at roughly 30. Which covers one hell of a decent age range for the pretty folks.

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SWAMP ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 5:25 PM

Overdeveloped for a preteenabsolutely. But who said she is still a preteen? I certainly dont view her that way. The Laura mesh was pushed and pulled from the uni-mesh (as has everything else under the Daz sun). Meshes can be pushed and pulled into whatever you desire. If you push the mesh so that it looks like a beautiful little girl, then it is a beautiful little girl. If you push that same mesh into an older attractive adult, then that is what it becomes. Ive even used the MilBaby to make a short, fat, and bald, Danny DaVito type wise-guy. The Preteen and Vic1/2 are the same mesh. Laura3,StephP and Vic3 are the same mesh. Perhaps one can say Vicky is the overdeveloped" teen if we want to play with semantics, or get hung-up on names.


SWAMP ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 5:27 PM

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Anyway, Storm, heres a quickie .. You are going to transfer all the morphs including the full body morphs from Vicky3 (the one with macaroni shoulders) to Laura3 (nice shoulders). Open MM. For the full body morphs to show, you need to first load a pz2 (pose) file. Just pick any pose filedoesnt matter which one. Now load the Vic3 cr2 into that same window. Load Laura cr2 into the second window. See how loading a pz2 first creates two listing for each body part for Vic3, including the body, which is now expandable, and can be copied.


SWAMP ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 5:29 PM

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Now just go down the list and right-click each body part that has the + (expandable) next to it and Copy Only Morph Targets. SKIPPING THE BODY LISTING. The body will be done last.


SWAMP ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 5:31 PM

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When youre done with that, now go to the body (that you havent/shouldnt copied yet) and expand that. This is the full body morphs, and you are going to copy each one starting at the bottom of the list and work your way up. Only right-click copy PBM(name) DO NOT(!!!) copy any rot or scale listings,. And there is no need to copy the PBMCC(number) as they are the same empty channels found in all the uni-mesh cr2s .


SWAMP ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 5:32 PM

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You do not need to copy every PBM(name) just the ones you want to show up in your full body dial.(like you may have no use for male chest spandex) but I suggest coping most of them. In the Laura3 window hit save file, and youre done. Well almost done Sometimes when you click on a body part the order in which the dials appear is reversed (like breast shape 8,7,6). To correct those just load the (same) cr2 into both windows in MM and copy that body part from one cr2 to the other. which will reverse the order back to normal. (Note: That was the reason to start at the bottom when coping the full body morphs.) Doesnt cause a problem, its just annoying to work with. Have fun, SWAMP PS, did I mention she has really nice looking shoulders for any age?


STORM3 ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 5:50 PM

Thanks for the much needed help SWAMP. I was getting some of the way there, but the double body-body/part trick had me tearing my hair out. Sometimes I think you need to be part masocist to play with Poser. Off to play now. Many thanks again! :o) STORM


SWAMP ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 5:55 PM

Actually being a full time masocist is the best way to go. Glad it helped....have a nice playtime.


Jay7347 ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 5:59 PM

Please pardon what seems like a really dumb question...guess I've been living under a rock. where can one get "Morph Manager," and does it work with Mac? Thanks! :-) -jay


SWAMP ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 6:32 PM

Attached Link: http://www.morphography.uk.vu/dlutility.html

EnglishBob has it on his site. I'm really not sure if it works on Mac's. If it doesn't you might try useing a friends PC,and see if the converted cr2 will work on your machine. Your friend doesn't need to have Poser as all you need is MM (less than 1mb),and the two cr2's.


Tashar59 ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 7:43 PM

Swamp, I see you have V3sr1, it's now V3sr2, incase you didn't know. I've deleted my posts, yours have pretty pictures. LOL.


hauksdottir ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 8:54 PM

I will say that YOUNG teen is Y-O-U-N-G teen... well under 18 apparent years, which is our cut-off for adult situations... and that body proportions are not the same as adult proportions. Please think before posting images to the gallery which show children or teenagers in provocative or sexual situations. Carolly Renderosity Moderator


PapaBlueMarlin ( ) posted Mon, 01 November 2004 at 10:59 PM

Carolly, is it just me or does this figure seem like just another excuse to put boobs on a poser model? Laura does not look like a child and a lot of the clothes I've seen for her are not particularly conservative. I would consider her to be more of a dwarf than a teen.



hauksdottir ( ) posted Tue, 02 November 2004 at 12:10 AM

Well, they haven't put boobs on the magical morphing cube yet... but these figures are going to appeal to people who like their sexual dollies young and soft and pliant as well as to people who need young teenagers doing normal kid stuff: building robots, playing frisbee with the dog, camping, whatever. However, people are already fitting them with sexual props and we are already starting to pull such images from the galleries. It's a shame, because time is precious... and I'd rather warn artists beforehand. It is just my opinion, but someone who designs fetish gear for a 14-year-old has problems. Dwarves are stockier all over: bones are dense, not long. Carolly


Xena ( ) posted Tue, 02 November 2004 at 12:24 AM

Considering they are teens, how can you simply judge all characters made with them to be underaged? I believe 18 and 19 is considered teen, and here in Australia the legal age for anything is 18. There's a saying that 'you see mirrored in others that which you believe of yourself'.


Dale B ( ) posted Tue, 02 November 2004 at 8:24 AM

Sigh. I was hoping it would take at least a -couple- of days before we got into this issue again... Thanks again for the tip and tute, SWAMP. You get some very nice effects with the V3 morphs. Now to try SP3's.... And just so everyone knows. Yes, you can and do transfer Arduino's Perfect G! morphs with this method. But you do not have the modified hip geometry that is part of that package, so most of the morphs either do not work at all, or produce results that can be very 'erotic'...if Tales of the Cuthulu Mythos is your idea of erotic. Or you get off on mesh explosions. :P So no freebie for the ickyicky pervies. Who's gonna have the coolest first mod product off Laura and Luke, do you think? Thorne and Sarsa, or Handspan Studios?


Puntomaus ( ) posted Tue, 02 November 2004 at 11:04 AM · edited Tue, 02 November 2004 at 11:06 AM

Thank you, Swamp - lots of usefull information. I didn't know about loading a Pz2 first to get the bodymorphs to show up in MM. Will try that later.

For those who obviously don't know: the default Laura comes with boobs, DAZ put them there first! "Who's gonna have the coolest first mod product off Laura and Luke, do you think? Thorne and Sarsa, or Handspan Studios?" Thorne and Sarsa's Pookling Twins are already available @ DAZ ;-) and they are so darn cute.

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Penguinisto ( ) posted Tue, 02 November 2004 at 11:06 AM

Hell, forget the age arguments pro or con - I can transfer all the V3 morphs I've made to that mesh and 'grow' 'em to adult size... without the bullshit joint problems that I've had to put up with all this time. Mucho thanks for the update. BTW, I guess the MGPT morphs won't work if the V3 morphs do, eh? /P


Puntomaus ( ) posted Tue, 02 November 2004 at 11:09 AM

Eh, Peng ... the MGPT morphs cannot work on Laura3 - she is based on V3 while the PT is based on V2.

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PilotHigh ( ) posted Tue, 02 November 2004 at 11:39 AM

The mac version is Maconstructor found at www.soft-rabbit.com.


Penguinisto ( ) posted Tue, 02 November 2004 at 12:20 PM

Hiya Punkti! Yep - I figured as much... :) I'm just happy to see a V3 version that doesn't move like it were made of plastic is all. /P


crowbar ( ) posted Wed, 03 November 2004 at 3:50 AM

ok so on the 4 th millenium attempt Daz is beginning to get the joints better - is it too much to hope that the other versions might get a service pack update to bring them in line?


PapaBlueMarlin ( ) posted Wed, 03 November 2004 at 9:09 AM

lol... not a chance... that's what V4 will be all about.



Tyger_purr ( ) posted Wed, 03 November 2004 at 9:18 AM

is it too much to hope that the other versions might get a service pack update to bring them in line? Yes. First we have the potential that fixing existing figures will mean that all existing clothing (and morphs?) will have to be fixed. Can you imagine the backlash from that? Second, they have no way to recover costs from doing the work.

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