Hi all, i want to expose you, some of my ideas to improve the way to charts: When an image goes on the charts, it gains an overboost of visibility that we can ignore, and so i think we can use our best will, to make charting close to the best way it can to be. By the fact the charts is not perfect, i feel that some simple ideas could make "the charts" a little less distance from a good way. In the first place of most viewed most comments and so on, infact, there are image at least older of 3 years... 3d software and 3d arts are doing giant step in the last 3 years, and this probably shift higher the sense of what an "amazing image" could be. May be that a stunning image of 1999 viewed with the eyes of 2004 is only a good image. We can better judge most viewed most commented and best rankings, simply By subdivide images for years: most viewed in 2002 most viewed in 2003 most viewed in 2004 etc etc etc In that way we gain both the storic of the more fantastic image of the past years, and both to give the right visibility to new stunning works that otherwise can never go in the charts (that's why the impossibility to give 50000 viewings in a contest where the number of image posted is clearly double or triple of the past!) Also Hot20 can huge improved by use a simple formula: An image reach a total of point composed by adding this 3 wheighted parameters: 30% to votes, 20% to number of viewing , and 50% of average of ranking. This can surely avoid some cases i saw in the last days, where an image that going an overall ranking of "nice" goes on hot20! And also if someone disable ranking... the image cannot go on the H20. I say this words, because often i see some unbalanced situation in the charts... My only will is to post my feel of how the thing could go better. Not to make flame or to disrupt. Sorry for my english I hope my sugest can be helpful to improve a situation that in my honestly opinion (and not only the mine) needs to be improved. Best regards MAX

Max, in the thread "ADMIN and MODS ... in all fairness, let this behavior stop as well" we came up with, opt in for the voting when uploading. [ a checkbox to allow inclusion in hot 20, default is no do not include ] since the hot 20 os only a popularity contest, not an art critique list. to make it a realistic listing on image quality, there would have to be specific people that renderosity allows to rate the images, and only those people's input counts. if it's open voting it is never going to be based on image quality, only how many of your friends you can get to vote for it.

Hello, @Max: I think your idea is excellent. And it would be the easiest to include in the scripts. There is no need for new buttons or options. Everything is already included in the database. @Jaqui: I think that this option is a bad trade-off. First it takes time to upgrade the database for another option for any image, second, the hot20 really will be a useless popularity-list with no art-related context, just as you stated. Max's idea would turn it upside-down. It would enhance to become an art-critique-list. Therefore Renderosity's capacities of a marketplace with popularity-lists would grow, too. The solution of an additional vote-option would make my decision to go from a market-place to an art-site easier. Yours Volker Harun

yup, but it will always be a popularity contest with public voting. personally, I don't care if any renders I upload make the hot 20. and would prefer to not have them entered, while allowing comments and ratings. if the hot 20 was only decided by specific committee then I might care about being in it. because that committee would only be rating on artistic criteria. vote from friends should never count for real artistic critique.

Jacqui i want to say that hot 20 is only a part of my suggestion; in a line of principle, i think is more important the first part of my suggest; those about most viewed most commented and best ranking! Related To the Hot 20, the only thing to point is that: no one say "i want to be in the hot 20" But we all, can clearly admit that the overboost of visibility staying in the hot20, is at least 50% more in terms of number of viewing; So try to change the h20 way of charting could give a more belanced viewing to all the images, not only to the images in H20! Best regards Max

Interesting suggestion... I like your idea of having a percentage being for votes and a percentage for viewings but I wouldn't bother with "rankings" at all since they are usually not indicative of the quality of a LOT of the images, plus, tons of folks turn off rankings for that exact reason. I do think though, that there need to be 2 voting buttons. 1 voting FOR the image and 1 voting AGAINST the image - that would also help balance out all the ppl who make duplicate accounts and/or get all their friends to vote for them. re: viewings - I've said something similar in other threads... most viewed by year, by month, by week, by day and all-time viewings. You've got some good thoughts there :> The "Hot" 20 usually is a popularity contest gone awry. I even posted a poem on R'osity about it, called ROTFLMAO, and added my suggestions in comments on how to improve the site and get some artistic integreity... I've also emailed admin@renderosity.com with suggestions... none of which have ever been used. If you do a search on "Hot 20" in most of the galleries you can find threads 2 yrs old (maybe even more) with other artists having similar concerns... :> cara

Could I suggest that you give gallery posters an option to turn the voting button on or off, like with comments and rankings? Those who are tired of seeing supposedly unworthy images in the respective Hot 20 galleries can instead focus on gallery challenges where entries are anonymous, but voting is open and fully transparent. If this doesn't suit some galleries then I spologise, I post 95% of my stuff in Terragen.

Do they have anonomous challenges? cara

They do in Terragen - you post your entry anonymously, but the voting is there for all to see in the Forum.

that's kind of a cool idea... keeps impartiality for those who have difficulties separating loyalty from honest opinions... So far I've only entered into one Writer's "challenge" and voting just started in our forum and the entries all say who wrote them and then we vote for our top 3. cara

It'd be more impartial if you entries were anonymous, imo - but it seems to be a better way forward (in terms of expediency)

I agree with that in general. Of the 3 ppl I voted for in our challenge, I've never even seen anything by 2 of them before :> cara