Je viens de m'apercevoir que quelques posts sont en franis ouf !!! in english : it's very difficult f mich !!!!

J'ai rondu ton post prent, et profites nouveau de celui-ci, pour lancer une petite entr'aide aux franis : Si l'un(e) d'entre vous souhaitait traduire quelque tuto ou conseil judicieux ... je pense que vous feriez des heureux !... Vous aurez remarququ'en effet, les tutos et aides ou autres, sont le plus souvent en anglais ! Il est dommage de laisser une telle ressource sans pratique pour nous ! Bien s : nous pourrions nous munir d'un traducteur ( mais has ... ils ne sont toujours efficaces ni cohents !!! ) ou apprendre simplement l'anglais !... Encore faut-il avoir du temps pour apprendre l'anglais dit courant !... Dans la mesure onous partageons cette passion ... n'hitons pas la partager jusqu'au bout !... A bient !

not to come down on you french speaking guys but im starting to think of making my posts in swedish,german or finish instead of english considering the growing number of posts in french that im seeing. should make for a interesting and usable forum :)

Dans l'interet de la majorite des membres du forum, merci de vous tenir a un minimum de messages en Francais. ------------- In the interest of the majority of members on this forum, please try to keep messages in French to a minimum.

Message edited on: 12/21/2004 05:53

Pourriez-vous expliquer s'il-vous-pla ?... Please, could you explain this message ?...

je ne parle pas franis! [/grumpy mode] :p

Ploumette's question is a valid one: why not have french language posts? Where are french speaking Vue users supposed to go? Renderosity is a repository of Vue knowledge so inevitably non-english speakers are going to come here for help. There are plenty of translation sites around to get the gist of what's being said and, possibly, to reply too.

Yes it's that !!! ( merci BiGreenFurryThing ! )

This forum counts members of many nationalities (for those who do not know, I am French myself :)). Using English as a default language garanties that the forum remains usable and accessible for all. It is not ideal for everybody but it is a necessary step. Just imagine what it would be like if you had to sort through posts in spanish, dutch, german, portugese, italian, chinese, japanese and so on... True - there are translation tools available online, but they also work the other way around. You can translate what you want to say TO english :) I will not forbid people from talking in their native language if they want to, but I would just remind everybody that the spirit of this forum is to share your experience and your work. Just think about how this is best done. If anybody needs french speaking forums about Vue, send me an IM and I will be glad to communicate some addresses.

Plumette, c'est mon plaisir. Je suis un rosbif mais j'ai des amis en France. Et je suis un peu d'un "francophile"! :-) If a single language is the default for the forum how can it possibly be "usable and accessible for all"? Non-english speakers are ostracised by default. Shunting Vue users to sites in their native tongue creates cultural ghettoes and worse fragments the Vue user base. I'd love to see and "hear" from Vue users worldwide, to share their enjoyment of a great product and help out if possible. My french isn't great (OK, it's very basic) but it doesn't take much to make an effort to try and share in another language. A united worldwide Vue user base benefits us through sharing different cultural expressiveness. I'd love to see what Japanese users would do with Vue: their graphic culture is in many ways abstract and representational. Terragen and MoJoWorld are catching up with and, in some features, have overtaken Vue. A cohesive, worldwide user base has more chance of promoting Vue, encouraging development by E-On and creating a better program with more features. It's also good to share. :-) On a practical note, doe sanyone know of a definitive list of Vue forums worldwide?

Attached Link: http://www.e-onsoftware.com/Community/Forum.php

Asking people to translate posts in language other than english will not work as most people will simply not have time to take that extra step.

We can't really translate every message in every possible language upfront either.

Like it or not - english is the only language that is likely to be understood by the majority of members in the forum.

But once again - I have nothing against discussions in other languages than english as long as someone can step in and post a translation to english of what is being said so that people who do not know that particular language know what is going on. I don't know of a definite list of links but you can get started by the Community page on e-on's website.

Message edited on: 12/21/2004 14:59

I'm with Agiel on this. Speaking in French doesn't bother me (as I can somewhat follow it, as well as a small bit Spanish, German, Japanese and Hawaiian, not to mention the difficult to master Australian language!) but keeping it mostly in English is in the best interests of this Forum. So Agiel isn't saying you CANNOT speak French- (if you can't express yourself otherwise)- is a fair policy and good policy... (This is also why Esther must always try to speak in English, rather than Australian, so that we can know what she is saying!)

...I'm Danish and my French sums up to Merci! :-) But I do agree that posting in your own language is OK. Men en overstelse er nvendig! - But translations are nessesary :-) I'm sure French speakers know a lot that I can learn from - but I do not stand a chance if it's not written in English too. And since there's a lot of people here - as Agiel - that knows both languages well perhaps one of you can jump in and translate if the person asking a question feels he/she has to use the native language to properly explain the problem? (Which I DO find very understandable!) Perhaps the French need a Vue forum in French....but....there's more Danes than I here - and Germans - and Spaniols....and Greeks I believe too...if we don't stick to English as the main language....well, the tower of Babylon comes to mind! :-) Hav en god dag! :-)

I can read French pretty well, but can't speak it ( the pronumciation is impossible), so I kind of like the french posts so I can practice my french. Same with german, dutch, italian and portuguese.

Hello everybody !
( Bonjour tous ! )

Well ... I must write twice my post because it does'nt appear in the forum !

Well ... I understand completely the way it must be about english ! And all the frenchs will understand too but ... personnally, I don't speak and write very very well english !... I didn't speak english since school !!! ( wouaw !! )

What is a pity for us, is that in France, there's not a lot of sites on Vue ... and we regret it ...
So, it's not always easy for us, to translate english tutorials in fact !...

I make surelly mistakes writing english but, I would like to tell you, that we are all here for one passion : Vue !

We want to " hange " ( change in english ?! ) a lot and learn more and more and more !!!
That's all in fact !

Renderosity forum is great and there's a lot of ressources and so many things a lot !...

We are happy to be here ! I'm repeating : we want to learn !!! ( ! )

So, thanks a lot to Agiel for his proposition ... It's very kind of him and perhaps one day, if tutorial is too difficult in english, I'll email him ?!

Let's have fun !

Enjoye !
( bient ! )

I love to have the oportunity to meet so many people from different countries in this fantastic forum. If I am able to, I try to respond in the mother language of the one you posted an image. I speak for myself, when I say, that it is always a pleasure to read some german words. I think it is a good idea to mix the languages in comments. I try to write some words in English, so that anybody can understand what this image means to me, and some words more personal in the motherlanguage of the one who created the picture. Pour moi aussi c'est tres difficile de suivre des tutorials en Anglais.:))Restez brancher.

Actually Ploumette you write your English in a really wonderful French accent! ...It may be difficult to express technical ideas- but it is still very wonderful to read your English!

Hello everybody ! ( Bonjour tous ! ) Well ! I am very touched ( touch ! ) by your declaration Vitas777 !... And ... I am very happy to read that my english has got ... a French accent !!! It makes me smile ! ( Cela me fait bien sourire ! ) You're right when you write : " It may be difficult to express technical ideas " ... it's so true !!! It's not easy to translate the tools in French ... but we try with ... hum ?..." acharnement " in French !!! Let's enjoy quoiqu'il en soit ! Be happy !

Veritas said : "... not to mention the difficult to master Australian language!..."

From another Australian who reads this forum: Smiling at you says "G'day cobber!"

grin
~beck Message edited on: 12/25/2004 20:17