The poses that I use mostly are poses which Curious Labs left out and I had to make them myself: e.g. standing, sitting, driving a vehicle, saluting. What are the "Pose Sets"? Obviously a pose is a pose!

I do occasionally, I use them to get an approximate pose to how i really want it to look. John

I sometimes us them to start if they are close to what I want then tweek them from there. There are so many great poses out there both free and for sale you can never have enough poses as far as I am concerned. :O) SndCastie

I start with them, but usually wind up monkeying around with them to get what I want..

Poser 5 has a wealth of poser for Don & Judy & Kids and they do work pretty well on the P4 & Mike/Vicky and others too. I do use them very often to start out with and tweak them as needed. "The poses that I use mostly are poses which Curious Labs left out and I had to make them myself: e.g. standing, sitting, driving a vehicle, saluting." There are a lot of sitting & standing poses in P5 too.

Frankly I use the stock P5(?) "male" and "female" poses more than any others regardless of the figure I'm working with. One of them usually gets the figure close enough and it doesn't take long to fine tune from there.

Interesting question... hadn't really thought
about it. My first use of Poser was to
animate some scientific demonstrations, and
I did look carefully in the "Pose" library,
thinking that "Poser" ought to be about "Poses"!
Found nothing that was even remotely helpful,
so I lost the habit of looking in that area
and never regained the habit. (However, the set of poses supplied with Misaki are truly helpful; I can always find a good starting point in that set.)

Message edited on: 02/22/2005 12:33

I'm always buying pose sets and tweaking to fit what I want.

The problem that I've got with most Pose sets (the default Poser sets included) is that the poses are simply too exaggerated to look "real".

Most people very rarely assume postures in which they are bent over double; have their legs sticking up in the air; or look like they are having some sort of a spastic attack.

Simple sitting; simple standing (not fashion-model "assume a pose" type standing); and poses like "driving a car" are the most useful types of poses for general purposes.

Sure.....I occasionally have a need for exaggerated poses -- and I buy pose sets for such.

But I find myself using the everyday pose sets far more often than the fantasy pose sets.

Don't get me wrong: fantasy pose sets are very important and useful.

It's just that I'd like to see a lot more "everyday" poses offered for sale. I use them frequently.

Message edited on: 02/22/2005 12:54

"The problem that I've got with most Pose sets (the default Poser sets included) is that the poses are simply too exaggerated to look "real"." I did have the same problem with all of the P3 & P4 pose sets, but the new ones that come with P5 are pretty natural ones, at least much better then the P4 ones.

Here's a short wishlist of poses, for both male and female characters:

Sitting, talking on a telephone
Standing, talking on a telephone
Sitting, watching TV, holding a remote
Sitting, reading a book
Reclining, reading a book
In bed, reading a book
Sitting at a table, eating
Sitting at a table/desk, talking
Sitting at a table/desk, reading
Sitting at a table/desk, writing
Opening/closing a door
Getting into/out of a car
Standing, adjusting controls
Sitting, adjusting controls
Standing, pressing a button (as in an elevator control)
Sitting, operating a mouse/keyboard on a PC
Climbing into the back end of a truck
Climbing into the back end of a truck, carrying something
A variety of walking poses
A variety of reclining poses (realistic reclining poses)
Walking up/down stairs
Getting into/out of bed
Standing, reaching overhead, adjusting something
Sitting, reaching overhead, adjusting something
Standing, reaching down, adjusting something
Sitting, reaching down, adjusting something
Standing, working with things located on top of a workbench/kitchen counter, etc.
Sitting and standing, using tools
Squatting, holding a flashlight
Cooking poses
Automotive/other mechanical repair poses

I could go on -- but these give a general idea of the type of poses that I'd like to see.

I might end up having to make my own.

Perhaps I should consider selling them............? Oh, well......it's a thought.

If any merchants that happen to be reading this would like to use this list to create poses of their own......please do so. I'll happily buy them from you.

Sitting... Adjusting ... operating ... tools ... Yup, that list really hits the spot. If that category had been available for Posette, I could have saved a whole lot of time on educational work!

On the other hand, what's Poser all about? Creating poses..... When I needed a woman sitting & talking on a telephone, I picked a basic sitting pose and added rest myself. When I needed a woman sitting & reading a book, again I picked a basic sitting pose and added rest myself. When I needed a woman sitting & operating a mouse/keyboard on a PC, once again I picked a basic sitting pose and added rest myself. That's what poser is about, why would I really on other to create everything for me? It's just not going to happen, especially when it comes to everyday stuff. Content creators seem to have something against every day stuff..... Many people have asked for every day stuff and all we hear over and over again that's it's not worth creating it. There's no market for it they tell us, inspite of may asking for it. Whenever I need a pose and can't find it in my poserlibs, I create it myself. That's why I've got Poser, it's very easy to create your own poses with it. It's even fun to do so!

Oh, yeah......here's another few that I feel compelled to include:

Standing/sitting (for all):

Drinking from a glass
Drinking from a mug/coffee cup/tea cup
Drinking from a bottle
Taking pills
Putting reading glasses on/off
examining something/someone
various medical poses - both doctor and patient
"lab/research" poses
Human/pet poses - play/exercise/petting (dogs/cats)
All kinds of realistic sitting poses
Riding bicycle/motocycle/scooter
Yardwork poses (digging, etc.)

On and on...........

On the other hand, what's Poser all about? Creating poses.....

I do the same.

But here's a few thoughts on the reasons that we have "pre-made" poses:

First off, if some enterprising merchant out there wants to make a little scratch........and fulfill someone's wishlist in the process......what's wrong with that?

BTW - I rarely use any pose in it's default form. I usually change them. However, having a basic pose-form already available to me as a starting point can be a real time saver.

Also, for those individuals that are using Poser for commercial renders (not me) -- pre-made cookie-cutter poses can be just the thing to get a job out quickly.

I got Poser to create pictures. In fact i am try to set up to do a comic, so i need to a good set of base poses with proper variety to make it more efficient. I think that would be a very useful set. I'd even go so far as to say dont pose the hands, just get them in the right area. I never seem to have the same props the pose maker has anyway. Or perhaps don't worry too much about the hands. It seems like, most if not all the poses are sold in sets of sitting, standing or laying down and they all are trying to be fasion models. Even the Poser standard stuff look like they are trying to make the cover of GQ.

I think that would be a very useful set. I'd even go so far as to say dont pose the hands, just get them in the right area. I never seem to have the same props the pose maker has anyway. Or perhaps don't worry too much about the hands.

I agree with you. The hands never seem to match the object that your Poser character is manipulating.

Hand poses are about the most difficult to do -- you just can't make hand poses that will fit every scene.

However -- hand pose sets can be very useful as a basic starting point.....just like full-body poses.

It seems like, most if not all the poses are sold in sets of sitting, standing or laying down and they all are trying to be fasion models. Even the Poser standard stuff look like they are trying to make the cover of GQ.

Yep.

The only thing that I would add to that would be to say that I sometimes want fashion model poses....but not all of the time. In fact, not even most of the time. Just once in a while.

The everyday stuff has far greater overall utility.

I don' tink I've ever used a preset pose w/o alterin' it to my needs...usually drastically. Yeah, I got a buttload of 'em, but as already pointed out, rarely, if ever, are they in the least bit credible. That said, what I don' unnerstand is ppl actually payin' fer poses...look @ the screen when ya boot up the prog; notice them great big letters that say Poser (x) ? That don' refer to 80's hair & makeup bands, it refers to what ya do w/ the prog. & payin' fer sumpin' that (as mentioned) ent gonna be right jus strikes me as bein' kinda ridiculous.

That said, what I don' unnerstand is ppl actually payin' fer poses...look @ the screen when ya boot up the prog; notice them great big letters that say Poser (x) ? That don' refer to 80's hair & makeup bands, it refers to what ya do w/ the prog. & payin' fer sumpin' that (as mentioned) ent gonna be right jus strikes me as bein' kinda ridiculous.

As already pointed out -- it's an efficient way to save time. If saving time is "ridiculous", then so be it.

I like saving time. Just on general principles.

On top of which -- for someone that is engaged in producing commercial renders/comics -- saving time can be far more important than "having fun" by taking the extra time required to create their own poses from scratch.

((I love/hate having to repeat myself.))

I do agree with the commercial renders/comics part, but let's face it, most of us don't use Poser in such capacity at all, at least not always. I just love creating poses my self and the list of modified and newly created poses grows and grows. By now, whenever I'm working on a commercial product I've have created such a huge library of poses that I very often can fall back on them. Also if I would have purchased all of the poses needed, I would have been broke by now. Since I'm on a tight budget most of the time, I follow a very simple strategy.... [1] If you have it laying around somewhere, use it. [2] If you don't have it, but it can be made in a reasonable time span, do so. [3] If you cannot make it yourself, buy it. Poses I can make myself, but if many new poses are needed for a project, it's often much less time consuming to buy a set of poses. If it doesn't take to much time or there are only a few needed, I do create them myself. A lot of my props, buildings and other items I do create myself too. That very often more worth it then buying props, they can get awefully expensive at times. When it comes to clothes I alway buy, can't create them myself. With the money I save on not buying to many props, interiors, buildings and so on, I do buy clothes needed.

BTW -- programs like Microsoft Word come with pre-made "poses", too.

The pre-made items are called "templates". Such templates are very helpful to businesses and others wishing to handle various job requirements more efficiently.

I suppose that one could argue that it is "ridiculous" to include pre-made items like that -- after all, the name at the top of the program is "Word". One should therefore be expected to create all of one's own words.

After all, it's fun!

Save some time; spend some money. Spend some money; save some time. we all draw the line on which we will do in diffrent places. I think i have only one or two pose packages per figure. Most of the pose packages on the market dont fit my needs. the one described above would and i would purchase it.

Many of the pose types mentioned in this thread may be found at: Bbay- Handicapped Poses (wheelchair, crutches, Walker, etc. for P4 models), V3 Everyday Poses (common and domestic, plus eating, drinking, smoking, etc.), French Maid (domestic, cleaning, shopping, bathing, serving), Hand Poses for V3 and M3 (many poses for each figure formed for specific, commonly available props). DAZ- Oriental Commoner Poses in Free Archives (eating, working, carrying, gardening), Stepahine 1 Domestic Poses, also in Free Archives, (common domestic poses), and in the store are Low Gravity Poses (domestic activities aboard a spavceship), Lifeguard & Swimming Poses (recreational), Rescuers (EMS/Medic, carrying other figures), Bareback Riders. Poser Pros- V3 Geisha Poses (domestic and entertaining). Search for Don or 3Don at each store to view the sets.

I certainly have no problems with the practice of creating one's own poses. It's creative, and yes -- it's fun.

But don't slam others for choosing a different route.

What works for one, doesn't always work for another. For many potential reasons.

Don -- Thanks for the list of pose sets. I've got many of them. However, I wouldn't object to seeing more of the same.

I just love creating poses my self and the list of modified and newly created poses grows and grows. By now, whenever I'm working on a commercial product I've have created such a huge library of poses that I very often can fall back on them.

You might want to consider putting them together into a package, and then offering them for sale here in the marketplace.

I'd be very interested. Especially if they were for V3/M3/SP.

;-)

I think the stock poses could use divine intervention, I've always thought this, ever since I purchased Poser 3! With all that's going around you'd have though MC or CL could have aquired some a little more special. I guess they want thier props from the Techie Fans! = )

"But don't slam others for choosing a different route." Didn't mean to slam anyone at all, just wanted to look at it from a different perspective too.... I've someone feels I've slammed them, then I do apologize.

just wanted to look at it from a different perspective too.... No probs here. Seriously -- if you've got a good set of poses, then I'd be interested in seeing them up for sale.

I like to make my own poses but I prefer to start from something other than the zero pose most times if I can! If I stick to pre-mades I can never find just what I'm looking for for a particular image! So I'd say the Poser Poses are just as good as any and at least you dont have to pay extra for them! The hand poses are quite good too - I find I use them almost all the time! But my advice is to save your own poses as you create or tweak them - pretty soon you'll have a fine selection of your own to choose from that's more in keeping with your own style!

Sometimes when I make a pose, I have to go into it with a text editor to text-edit into it an actor for his (is its) BODY. That is when the character is intended to be a child of another character, e.g. the pilot of a vehicle, or a pose for the straps etc of a scuba or flamethrower. With my handcuff model, I had to make a pose handcuffed_man for the man; and a pose handcuffed_cuffs for the handcuff. And I had to text-edit into handcuffed_cuffs an actor for its BODY.

I've bought a lot of stuff over the last 5 years, but don't think I've ever purchased a set of poses unless the poses came with the item I was really purchasing. I do have a lot of Schlabber's poses, and his tutorials have been very helpful. I start with the basics, yes even some of the artsy or extreme ones, and tweak from there. If ever I would need a large set of premade poses, I'd buy a CD of them from Schlabber. The problem with premade poses is that the props, tools, and sets are all so different. Let's take something simple like driving a car. Unless the steering wheel is the same size and the seat height is the same, you are going to have to tweak anyway. Why not just start with a sitting person and move the arms up? Suppose that you buy a car with bonus sitting poses for V3... but you want to use Judy or Aiko or Mayadoll or even (gasp) David or Mike or Don. Tough. You will have to pose the body, get the legs tucked in and move the hands onto the wheel anyway. If you want to be limited to only what everybody else uses (flavor of the moment), fine. If you want to be free to use whatever YOU desire, with any figure, you will have to make your own poses. It isn't hard. Carolly

This is a very interesting thread. It's surprising how few threads are about posing (it is called 'Poser' after all).

Re included pose sets and poses collections for sale: the trouble with them is finding the pose I want, i.e. with the organization of poses. How do you organize them? The ones for sale usually are in a folder with the makers's name or something, which is not much help. Even if I sort and reorganize the individual poses into new folders, how do I organize them? When poses can involve multiple characters, involve actions on objects, and so on. Is "sitting" a position or an action on an object (i.e. a chair)?

Has anyone ever come up with a good system of organizing poses?

I try to organize my poses by figure. I have separate directories for "Victoria 3", "Michael 3", "Stephanie Petite", "Mil Cat".... etc..

In the case of mixed figure poses, I have directories for that, too - "V3/M3", etc..

Like this:

Runtime/Poses/Victoria 3/Sitting
Runtime/Poses/Victoria 3/Standing

And so forth.

For individual character-injection poses, I classify them separately:

It breaks down like this:

Runtime/Poses/Characters/Victoria 3/Amy
Runtime/Poses/Characters/Victoria 3/Barbara
Runtime/Poses/Characters/Victoria 3/Cathy

Runtime/Poses/Characters/Michael 3/Adam
Runtime/Poses/Characters/Michael 3/Barnabas
Runtime/Poses/Characters/Michael 3/Calvin

etc, etc, etc....................

BTW -- I have tons of characters in my runtime: these are merely organizational examples.

When I want to use a given character, I know exactly where to go to find the necessary character-injection poses.

However, just like with standard poses -- I rarely use a character exactly as it comes out of the box. Normally, I end up tweaking the texture, facial features, etc.....

For poses dealing with things, as in props, I organize them thus:

Runtime/Poses/Furniture/DAZ/XYZ set
Runtime/Poses/Furniture/Office/
Runtime/Poses/Furniture/Household/

Runtime/Poses/Equipment/Photography/Cameras/
Runtime/Poses/Equipment/Computers/
Runtime/Poses/Equipment/Industrial/

Runtime/Poses/SciFi/Davo/

Runtime/Poses/Magic/Emerald Scepter

Runtime/Poses/Vehicles/SAMS3D/
Runtime/Poses/Vehicles/iw43D/
Runtime/Poses/Vehicles/Aircraft/

This brief outline should give you an idea.

I'm not saying that doing it this way will work for everyone: but it works for me.

Each of us needs to have a runtime organizational system of some kind -- otherwise, you'll eventually end up with a complete mess.

"This is a very interesting thread. It's surprising how few threads are about posing (it is called 'Poser' after all)." I do not dind that suprising at all. When I go throught the galleries it so often a one character scene with just a standard pose. It seems like most people creating stuff that is shown in the galleries, hardly need a lot of poses at all. There's only a limited number of people that go beyond the one figure standard pose scene, so that's why this topic is hardly ever discussed imo. I do not intend to put down one figure standard pose scenes, just making an observation. Personally those scene bore me, but different people different likes - different people different needs.

Just to go off on a tangent a little whilst on the subject of Poses. Another reason I find that making my own poses works for me is that I can keep the joint bend parameters within realistic limits of movement. I know that Poser allows each joint to articulate in bend, twist and sided-to-side but have you ever tried bending your knee side to side? or twisting your fingers for that matter? I've been disappointed to find that purchased sets don't always bear these things in mind and whilst they look good from one angle - they don't stand up to being rotated or seen from another POV than the one the designer had in mind! I'd be interested in seeing more anatomically correct pose sets in the marketplace - especially hands!

I usually make my own poses each time they are needed. Most of the times I use a pose from my saved poses, it is a pse that I made to get e.g. a gun into a hand, or a man into a driving seat.

I have purchased some pose sets, but I rarely use one "out of the box" Almost always I tweak them, sometimes I combine the lower body part of one pose with the upper body part from another. Pose sets (both those included with Poser and pose sets I bought) are great as starting points. What I miss is partial poses. With a set of 10 arm poses, 10 leg poses and 5 body poses you can create an enormous variety of base poses that then can be tweaked to the needs of the particular scene. I have found only one partial pose set yet (didn't buy it, didn't match my needs). Hand poses are often a pain; even when a hand pose is supplied with a prop (e.g. the torch holding hand pose supplied with DMs Time Prisoners), they don't really look good in closeup. And like hoskins78 said, many pose sets (CL and third-party) disregard the natural limits of joints, especially knees/elbows bending side to side, fingers bent backwards at an unnatural angle and so on. Still, I often apply a pose from a library as a starting point. Saves time.

I can flex my finger base joints (Index1, Middle1, Ring1, Pinky1) the wrong way 40deg directly and 90deg by pushing with the other hand. It does not hurt me.