I'd like to post a message asking people to go to http://www.ProtectSeals.org and sign a petition to boycott Canadian seafood products in protest against the annual seal slaughter set to start in 11+ days. What is the correct forum if any?

Moved to Community Center Forum

Our beloved Republican fat cats just voted to let the greedy oil interests get their blackened paws on what was set aside as a refuge... a sanctuary for endangered species... if they can drill in the ANWR, nothing is safe. Better eat those seals before they get oil-slicked and suffocated. I hope that each and every congressperson who voted for this gets shot down next election... if they don't curl up at the toes before then.

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Frankly, I'm more appalled at what goes on in U.S. livestock slaughter plants, but I'll still BBQ three racks of babyback ribs on a hot summer day.

I don't know why they hold elections in this country (USA).

I'm truely grateful that I'll be dead when I'll be dead. I wouldn't want to be 5 or 10 years old today :( And I told Bill Frist the same thing :) a**-holes

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I'm already not buying any Canadian seafood, but then fried blubber or scrod or haddock is not very popular in the barrio.

Mateo: I don't eat much seafood at all (I'm a red chili-bean burrito kinda person) I just don't like animal abuse, or what they're doing to the planet. Personally I don't think it's save-able any more.

Did someone say bean burritos? I'm half mexican and was pretty much raised on Mexican food...

LOL@mateo!

It is very sad the things that are happening around the world today - the problem is so big i sometimes wonder if there is any point in the things we do as can one person really make a difference? I guess if each of us all play our part it becomes so much bigger than just one person but is it too late to fix the damage that has been going on since the dawn of time?

mmmmmmm....sopapillas, green chili stew, carne adovada, tamales, chicken/chili casserole... heh heh heh - love it all :)

chicken enchiladas en mole, chile verde with lamb, enchiladas en blancas... damnity, it is almost 5 a.m. and I should be thinking about sleep and not about food! :(

loscann: I think we make a difference but the difference has to be 10 billion times greater than what we can achieve. Would be nice to know if that's realism or negativity??

Carolly: Another one that really ticks me off is Monsato and their genetic food engineering.

They're engineering food crops (corn, soybeans etc.) that do NOT produce seed - see that way the farmers will have to buy Monsato's seed every year. I've heard they're already putting farmers in jail although I don't have time to research that aspect of the situation. (Probably better for my blood pressure).

I did send them a shitty email though. I'm sure they were troubled ==== NOT
If you control the food supply, you control the population. That's how the infant USA finally destroyed the Native American populations - killed all the buffalo and then the Indian ponies.

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I love oil. Texas Tea. Black Gold.

Need to go swimming in the stuff.

Besides, having more of it is great for the economy. And I'm a greedy, dirty, filthy capitalist that has noticed the fact that more people have been successfully fed through the auspices of capitalism than through any other system ever invented by man.......

Canadian food?

Like Canadian bacon? I don't like it as well as regular bacon, anyway.......

Must be all that heavy food they're all eating that's embalming their brains, or would, if they had brains.

I'm amazed that our "leaders" have the ability to walk upright.

I don't think you can swim in the stuff-at least wildlife can't...but again, it's not our problem.

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*Must be all that heavy food they're all eating that's embalming their brains, or would, if they had brains.

I'm amazed that our "leaders" have the ability to walk upright.*

Yeah, that's true.

I've just seen a group of those neaderthals at a recent series of rallies.....such luminaries as Teddy Kennedy and Robert "KKK" ("white n-word") Byrd.

What a brilliant bunch of geniuses! Teddy Kennedy kept calling the latest Bush nominee by the wrong name....sort of like when he repeatedly referred to Barack Obama as "Osama Bin Laden".

And Robert "KKK" ("white n-word") Byrd was his usual scintillating self. Comparing Republicans to Hitler, etc., etc. -- a comment which garnered him a stiinging rebuke from the Jewish Anti-Defamation League:

*Abraham H. Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, said Byrd's remarks showed "a profound lack of understanding as to who Hitler was" and that the senator should apologize to the American people. He called the comparison "hideous, outrageous and offensive."

"With his knowledge of history and his own personal background as a KKK member, he should be ashamed for implying that his political opponents are using Nazi tactics," said Matt Brooks, executive director of the Republican Jewish Coalition.*

You couldn't be more correct -- it's amazing that they can walk upright.

They definitely manage to successfully present themselves as a bunch of clowns. Message edited on: 03/17/2005 13:49

And here is where XENOPHONZ and I diverge paths so dramatically that it is a wonder that we do find topics where we can agree. :shake head: Capitalism in moderation is a great thing. Capitalism unfettered and domineering and ruthless in its exploitation is a bad thing. The question for us is whether we put a modicum of the common good (preservation of species and habitat (save something for the future), protection of the unfortunate and weaker peoples (women, children, handicapped, elderly), promotion of the rights of others (even if they are in the minority)) on a par with our own selfish interests. Carolly

And here is where XENOPHONZ and I diverge paths so dramatically that it is a wonder that we do find topics where we can agree.

Carolly --

As you are well aware, we utterly and completely disagree on certain topics........

But that's no reason not to be friends.

;-)

Politically speaking, I'm about as right-wing as they come......

I've been involved in my share of political forum flame-fests in the past.

For the most part, I tend to avoid such threads these days. Largely because I've come to view them as a waste of time.

But I still enjoy the occasional debate. So, I'll jump in once in a while.

I don't automatically view people with whom I disagree as mortal enemies -- unless and until they declare (or show) themselves to be such.

I know that it's hard to believe this: but some political liberals are actually nice people. They're just wrong, is all........

Also, as hard as it is to grasp this fact.....some political conservatives are true jerks in every sense of the term. On a personal level.

The difficulty arises when people mistake political debate for a personal affront.

In my experience -- while political attitudes are unquestionably an integral part of the whole person, they don't in and of themselves define an individual's soul.

I like to look beyond politics.

Unfortunately, many people can't see beyond. More's the pity.

Yes, I support George W. Bush (mostly). Yes, I am a right-wing Republican. Yes, I will defend the things that I consider to be on the right side -- so to speak.

And I don't suffer fools gladly. Whether the topic is politics or forum behavior.

But in the course of debate, there's no reason to take things personally. I don't.

I respect your rather extensive knowledge and experience.

On poltical matters, I disagree with you completely.

Isn't this fun...........?

:)

Yup. :) I'm a pacifist who believes in protecting hearth and home, an old-fashioned Victorian romantic who also happens to be a femininist, and a luddite who is sitting in a room with 4 nominally-working computers and several dead ones. One person with lots of facets, some of them cracked. If my friends can accept me with these quirks, why can I not accept others with all their variables? For all I know, we might have more in common than we do in opposition. My closest male friend argues with me all the time about Bush and Iraq and economics... that doesn't stop us from going on photo hikes together. My closest female friend is a dog owner. Some of my friends are serious gun collectors (we are talking arsenals), some are Republicans, some are religious, and more than a couple are lawyers. It makes for interesting conversations. Perhaps the most interesting conversations I've had, though, were with strangers. Coming back from a game convention, I had the middle seat between two quietly dressed gentlemen. When I travel on business I always dress conservatively, so they might have been misled. The one on my right offered part of his Wall St Journal, but I declined because I had a week's worth mounting up at home. Now they were really misled! :evil grin: We started talking business and economics; the one on my left insisting that we needed to go back to the gold standard and the one on my right decrying all government regulations. They politely took turns arguing their points against me as the others on the plane sank lower into their seats in case Armaggeddon broke loose. I didn't feel besieged, but invigorated. We all shook hands when the plane landed. I won't shake Bush's hand, though. I respect the office, but not its current occupant. A good argument is an honest one where a point is presented and defended on its merits. Being able to walk around it and see it from other perspectives helps. Sometimes it is best not to make a decision on something, but to revisit it with more data in hand. And sometimes a person just has to make the best decision they can, even if unpopular, and stand their ground. Carolly

Attached Link: http://ga4.org/campaign/boycott/

Barbara Boxer is facilitating the threat of a boycott aainst anyone foolish enough to trash the ANWR. This link should lead to her letter. This is a capitalist country, and money talks. The absence of it speaks volumes, too.

Carolly

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and more than a couple are lawyers. Lawyers? Euuuuwwwwwww..........

I won't shake Bush's hand, though. I respect the office, but not its current occupant.

I have a similiar attitude towards Bill Clinton. Strongly so.

But if I ever actually met the man in person, then I would most likely shake his hand.

Hillary is another story.......in person, I suspect that she really is as nasty as they say that she is whenever the red "on air" light is turned off.

Whereas her husband is the type that'll pal around with most anybody.

I still wouldn't trust him any further than I could throw him. Message edited on: 03/18/2005 11:03

Ok lets keep this on topic and not go into politics and name calling of political people.:O) SndCastie