I found this little editorial in the latest (in my store) issue of 3D World, and it reminded me SO much of Renderosity that I have to post it. I shall now quote the author, Mental Roy. I'm going to skip the first half of the article. Albeit hilarious, it's the second part that strikes home. "And while we're on the topic of digital females, what's with these huge-breated girls in bikinis fighting dragons? I see they're still around. Great - that's just great. Yet can someone tell me who in their right mind is actually aroused by those? Since we're busy strapping on our skimpiest leather bra for this one, let's take stock of the subject matter. How did these women ever end up in a situation where they were sent out to fight dragons? What kind of medieval fantasy society is it that fights its wars in this way? "What's that I hear? Thorgar, Son of Wargasm reports huge mythical flying monster lizards terrorising the village? Why, we'll send out our largest-breasted people right away - because after all, THEY'LL BE THE BEST WARRIORS, RIGHT? Please stop it. Please, stop holding back your 3D brethren who work 18-hour days to tirelessly coax a beautifully nuanced and cadenced animated performance from their labor of love, only to flick to some online gallery and see not their work, but some undead-eyed, grapefruit breasted Valkyrie so grotesquely misproportioned that she couldn't reach round her freakish bosom to under her bra clasp, let alone get out there and behead a fire-breathing dragon. Stop dragging their labours down to the myopic depth sof your sordid, mobid work, stop making the general public associate every serious 3D artist with your hideously misdirected psychosexual artistic drave - plase just stop being the albatross around the neck of 3D. Above all, hear this - stop resorting to the easy artistic option. From now on, you MUST resust the lure of the titty morph target. That is all." Heh heh, that is the end.

here here :)

You can probably blame Boris Vallejo for it.

my t-morphs are always set to negative numbers. ::::: Opera :::::

Well anything less than a "grapefruit breasted" female slaying of a dragon is a direct violation of the "Tits Or Swords" doctrine of Rendo (know to most as simply the TOS). Funny articlesad and true, but none the less funny.

Conspiracy of the Florida Citrus Growers and Anti-Dragon Association?

Hmmm As they drag down beer commercials, MTV, network television [Spring Break Shark Attack]. Pop beats arte any day of the week. If it weren't for the bazooms, 3D would be where the vcr would have been without porn, in a niche. A good chunk of the money CL used to develop Poser 6 came from the sweat of Vicky's hint, not her brow :-)

Oh. Puh-lease. Considering the vast number of balloon boobed femmes I've seen in various CG portfolio's over the years, that =really= comes across as Do What I Say, Not What I Do. The human eye is drawn to -motion-. If those '3D brethren who work 18-hour days to tirelessly coax a beautifully nuanced and cadenced animated performance from their labor of love, only to flick to some online gallery and see not their work, but some undead-eyed, grapefruit breasted Valkyrie so grotesquely misproportioned that she couldn't reach round her freakish bosom to under her bra clasp, let alone get out there and behead a fire-breathing dragon' are being topped by static images of Dixie Dynamite With A Pigsticker, is that a commentary on the twit that turned the titty dial to 'HINDENBURG'....or on the animator's skill. Or maybe more to the point, their ego. That's something I've noticed in a lot of self professed 'pros'; a complete misunderstanding of what they do. Far too many of them seem to expect the masses to fall on their knees before 'Their CG Masterpiece'!...and get really pissy if you don't. A successful animator is almost transparent, because if they do the job -right-, you don't =notice= the animation. A blown scene will stick in the viewer's mind like nothing else. If those same viewers drone on about set, story, whatever, and never mention the actual animation, then you did your job. The illusion of life was unbroken. Or they could be miffed that you can host quite a few thousand stills in the same storage space of one animation... :P

Frankly,

Speaking from an experience standpoint...

A lot of those models would be confined to a bed because of the associated health issues that come from carrying around that much weight.

Not only is it butt-ugly, it's downright unhealthy.

Been there, Done that.

Someone buy these losers a copy of "Grey's Anatomy" while you are at it...

(Sorry, but the "Sillicone Suzie" image is a sore spot that is borne of personal experience. I was the girl in high school with the big chest that got teased for it...) Edited for Typoes

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Yes, I would have to say that the fault lies not simply with people who create such images -- not that blame needs to be placed; anyone is free to create what they like. But the fantasy/comic book industry itself has created this phenomenon. Wonder Woman is essentially a large breasted woman in a bathing suit, and she has spawned any number of other copies, whose breasts seem to get bigger as the centuries wear on. Fantasy artists like Frazetta and Boris, and many lesser known, have glutted the market with highly lucrative variations on this theme. The only thing that the artists who unskillfully craft such images are truly guilty of is imitation without innovation. While this article makes me laugh, what it is really saying is "Hey, why doesn't anyone appreciate me?" This is the same sentiment that recurs in these forums again and again by people who complain about Naked Vickies. "I'm a real artist, but nobody truly appreciates me." But often times, you have professional artists bemoaning what they perceive as attention being paid to hobbyists. Why should anyone really care? The debate is meaningless, and ends up attempting censorship cloaked in the guise of taste and "expert" opinion. No one mistakes much of this big-boobed warrior imagery as art. Those who view it more often than not just want to see big boobs. I did an experiment several months ago in which I created an awful image of Poser stick figures in the default pose, and stuck on a small, real image of a woman's cleavage, which I used in the thumbnail. Not only did the image get about 700 hits over the course of a day, it attracted much venom from those who clicked on the thumbnail and found themselves looking at something other than a gratuitous breast shot. The comments the image received immediately became viciously personal for some reason, so I deleted the picture. Apparently there is some drive for people to see that kind of thing as opposed to something more interesting. This in itself perpetuates the matter. There's an audience for it. Mike

There's an audience for it at Renderotica too, but then again the majority of the membership doesn't post and is probably just looking for cheap porn. Okay fine, you have you have your impossibly huge melons protruding out of the chest of the figure (as well as other unmentionableacts/things) but hey, we all know sex sells. In my own gallery here, I am trying to stick to more proportionally built figures (Sorry, I can be guilty of huge male genitals but I think that is more wishful thinking on my part ;) ). In same cases, I don't even use a breast morph or if I do, it is slight. This is probably why Wyrmmasters magnets do so well. I don't like them personally.

"I can be guilty of huge male genitals but I think that is more wishful thinking on my part "

I think that's the motivation for the people making images with girls with big guns as well. It's not earstwhile art as much as fantasy/wish fulfillment.

I don't have a problem with it, in fact I even like it if it's well done (read realistic). I also don't think it's high art either.

People complaining about it are shouting at the wind. I can understand being frustrated somewhat, but to whine about it isn't going to solve anything. If you love your art that had better be good enough, you can't dictate "taste" to other people. If you are truly talented you will be recognized eventually (you may be dead already, but what can you do?), but demanding respect or attention is fruitless. Those things have to be earned and given, you don't get them by pitching a fit - well not the good kind of attention anyway.

People like having sex, they like being sexually stimulated, they like thinking about sex, they like seeing things that turn them on. It's pretty basic, and the appeal of these types of images is no big mystery. I find it odd that "artists" can't get right with that, accept it and either use it to their advantage or just plain move on. There's a place for Russ Meyers's Super Vixens and there's a place for Lawrence of Arabia. So too with digital art. These things aren't in competition - the only thing they have in common is the medium.

Where's Xenophonz with his 2 cents anyway?

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I was going to mention an experiment in animal behavior that I think is funny but applies here. Scientists did research on turkey stimulation. It turns out male turkeys will get aroused from even the site of a fake head of a female, even if its made of wood and not particularly well carved. It's not a huge leap to suggest that males in the human species look for visual cues for breeding purposes, even when those cues are simply in images, and even in not particularly well done ones. Perhaps this is all hard-wired into males, which explains a lot. Mike

I, for one, am amenable to artistic expression of all kinds... but this impossibly huge boob epidemic has gotten to me. What about the real beauty of a human form? It's getting to be tiresome, at best.

I like big boobies....

Acctually I fall under the negitive number boob morph as well. Most of the time I don't really touch the breast morphs since if it's not done right (or with the right cloths) it tosses the cloths off. If I do it's usually in the other direction. Like someone said (or atleast I thought someone did) If it's good art, it does it really matter what size 'over the shoulder boulder holder' the subject has? It's still good art, and the opposite is equally true.

Ohh and mike, I do wish you wouldn't of deleted that pic. Personally I'd have given you an A1 rating (after I picked my self off of the floor laughing) Ohh on a related note, my most veiwed picture to date featured a shot of WonderWoman's cleavage for a thumbnail. I think I'm going to use pictures of boobs for all my thumbs no matter what the acctual pic is. ;)

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There was a craze, probably in the 80's for mega-mams. Several ladies in the alternative entertainment biz got them and Wyrmaster's morphs are named for some of them. In truth, the morphs are rather understated compared to some of the "real" article. The Poser homages are actually a pretty accurate reflection of a certain real world phenomenon. Do a Google image search on minka & boobs [WARNING XXX not for the fainthearted or the easily shocked or offended]. The CG "pros" are no different from other's like movie auteurs who resent the fact that some straight to video coed slasher film outsells their masterpiece. They don't take into account that (or choose to ignore) that IMO the popularity of a medium is good for everyone. Very few video stores that have an "art" section could afford to have it without a large selection of what some might view as schlock. Everybody needs someone to feel superior to. The Lightwave folks look down on the Poser folks and some Poser folks look down on the NVIATWAS folks. I suppose the NVIATWAS crowd looks down on the 'Rotica crowd--temples are art after all.

"I'm a real artist, and I look down at him because I produce artistic nudity." "I'm a pornographer, and I look up at him, but I look down at him because my models are real." "I'm a comic-book artist."