There are a few "alternate" poser communities out there aside from Renderosity. However, Renderosity appears to be the most successful, aside from all those that complain about "conspiracies", "corrupt moderators" and all the other things that go on around here. I'm curious as to what keeps the people coming back to Renderosity. And if you frequent another Poser site, what does that one offer that Renderosity does not? And lastly, what do you look for in a Poser community? Note that the above does not represent my oppinions on this community. It's not my belief that we have corrupt moderators, or conspiracies or anything around here - but more so the belief of many others around here.

I look for less pontificating...as in less overzealousness in upholding a TOS and making rash decisions on content. Artistic freedom. Freedom of speech. And friendly members that aren't out to crucify everyone at a moments notice. I've been a Rendo member pretty much since its inception, so its like home, thus here I am still...but I've left a couple of times because of the above...one part or another. the other site I truly love does not do any of the above.

I've been a part of this community since it was known as the Poser Forums, back when Free Stuff was Fun Stuff. Yeeeears ago. I think that was back in '98 or so? Not sure. That was under a different name, though. I agree with you to an extent - But a note to all the others who are going to post - With all the TOS ranting, please don't bring it to this thread. Lets stay on track. He's stated that the TOS gets on his nerves, and that's his oppinion. Leave it at that, please.

Difficult question to answer. I came here in the first place for information and advice. I've made a few friends and also encouraged a few friends to join here. For all Rosity's faults I prefer this place to the others. If it's a real feeling of community I want, I'll go see my friends in the pub. :)

Im a Renderosity active member since September 2002. I use this forum over all to have info of all the movements of the Poser world: freebies, products, anecdotes, tutorials ... and of course for to give my opinion about the own website, as the infamous threads about TOS (althought I only can now post in these topics on a surrealistic mode) Conspiracies? I dont believe it. Corrupt mods? Only a lillost in some cases. Find I here what I look for in a Poser community? The answer is YES :) Meet my hamster. Hes a nice fellow too :D

Lolol on the hamster bit from this and another thread! I'm very serious about wanting to be a part of a Poser community. I think a successful one strives to improve the medium and themselves. That is not always evident here. Like any home though there is good and bad and, as adults, we have to weigh those factors in determining the value of our remaining. Corrupt mods? If the chain wasn't being yanked I doubt they'd bark. Bottom line is I'm sure they are good people that care about a community. I just sometimes disagree with what yanks their chain. -jay

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The chief thing I look for is posts like that one and people who are nearly as insane as I ... posts like that one and people who are nearly as insane as I.... the two things I look for are posts like that one and people who are nearly as insane as I...and beer.... the *three* things I look for are posts like that one, people who are nearly as insane as I and beer...and an almost fanatical devotion to the TOS.... the *four*...no... *Amongst* thing things.... Amongst the things I look for...are such elements as posts like that one and people who are nearly as insane as I.... I'll come in again. [exits] [JARRING CHORD] [bursts in] Amongst the things I look for are such diverse elements as: are posts like that one , people who are nearly as insane as I , beer, and an almost fanatical devotion to the TOS and Pie- Oh damn!

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thixen, kiss my hamster HOAW, Pet Of The Poser Forum :) HOAW = Hamster On A Wheel (or forum fellow who likes take an old topic and roll it and roll and roll and roll ... We need a DAY OF THE COUGH (er, sorry, I mean TOS)

I frequent several sites -- acording to my quick bookmarks on the side here, it's about 7. RDNA has a less combative, somewhat more helpful, generally more artistic outlook and feel in the forums. Odd Ditty Foundry's forum system is slowly being geared to some project coming up in July, and apparently there will be some sort of ongoing contests of a more involved nature than normal. FaerieWylde is a very kindly, somewhat quieter forum set that's pleasant to look at. PoserPros has a flavor similar to rosity that is slowly changing. Prinicpal draw here is the greater ease of access to the tutorials. DAZ3D is built up around DAZ, of course, and tends to be less useful but still interesting to read. XFX3D is somewhat, er, churlish, at times, but is still the best place right now to discuss things that generally can't be discussed somewhere else. Plan-it 3D has really helpful people and some very nice features. I generally don't go to 3DCommune much these days -- navigation there is still a bit much. Of them, the closest in overall value to Renderosity is Poser Pros, although RDNA is coming up very fast, and RDNA does have better specific resources and targeted features. Prinicpal reason for Rosity, though? IT's the granddaddy. And, Like many a granpapppy, it tends to be crotchety and stubborn and behind the times, but still has the experience of years behind it that much can be gleaned from. After the death of the original Arcana, Rosity and Pros pretty much became the only two places where you could learn about using Poser quickly and more or less with some semblance of fun. Adding RDNA in there and you have the basis for the real value of those sites outside of content. Also Renderosity is still the easiest place to start sellng stuff through, and has no real airs like the other sites have. My primary use now for renderostiy (since it no longer serves me much good beyond this) is for information -- what's out that's new, what problems are cropping up, and what new trick have folks found out about -- What's cool. The same applies for PoserPros and DAZ. Plus, some folks still have bad old habits and harbor old grudges and so don't go elsewhere -- this is the hub of it all, and so long as it remains so, much will ontinue as it has. The only other reason I come back is to work toward greater recognition of the other sites that are out there and a greater understanding of the marketplace and the forces that are involved in much of what is done with Poser.

Forgot the third question -- beg pardon. What I'm now looking for in a community is the ability to discuss a broad range of subjects without use of any of the following three things: condemnation/insult/casting of aspersions on the poster condemnation/insult/casting of aspersions on the companies and programs involved condemnation/insult/casting of aspersions on the subject matter At present, the closest community for that so far is RDNA. Everything else that I want or look for is being built by the company I'm a partner in.

A Poser community results from the interaction between a given website's management and the site membership.

But the primary community tone is set from the top.

I.E. - the site owners determine what kind of a site they are going to have -- and thus: what kind of a crowd their site will attract.

Where the problems come in is when a website starts evolving into something other than what it originally was.

Many people don't like change in general: others don't like change in a direction that conflicts with their personal tastes.

A site that was once a "Free-For-All Saturday Night Fights" type of a site -- that type of site changing into a "Professional 3D and Technical Software Business" type of a website gets some of the early-on anarchists very upset.

If Renderosity from its inception had been a "CGTalk" type of no-nonsense professional site......then it wouldn't have had the "I want my Saturday Night Fighting!" crowd in attendance the first place. So -- there wouldn't have been anyone around to strongly object when the time came for the website to slowly morph into something else.

As Renderosity continues to pursue a long-term goal of turning themselves into something "respectable" within professional 3D circles -- over time, the Saturday Night Fights crowd will gradually lose interest. The old neighborhood just ain't the same. All of the brownstones have been either torn down or renovated. There are now brand-new $2000.00 per month condos for lease. And all of the porn shops and tattoo parlors have been shut down through the use of recently-passed zoning ordinances.

If someone wants the old neighborhood back again -- then they'll just have to move on to somewhere else.

This neighborhood is now upper middle class. With security gates and guards.

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Personally, I don't object to this changed state of affairs.

Upper middle class is fine with me.

CGTalk has its place in the grand scheme of things.

So does the NEW community of Renderosity.

The old neighborhood just ain't what it used to be. Better get used to it.

Oh, yeah.....and don't forget the Neighborhood Covenant -- you can no longer build things in your yard that don't fit in with the rest of the community architecture. Some of your neighbors on the Neighborhood Council will object. shrug The crime rate is getting much, much lower these days. Less gang activity. And less chance of being mugged on the street at night. Women and children can feel safer. There's something to be said for that, actually.

Rubs hands with glee, pulls out greasy coat, very long knife, and icky mask. Interestingly enough, there's more evil lurking int he shadows of the upper middle class, quiet streets than there is elsewhere. The crimes are not as violent, perhaps, but they are far more insidious and much, much more destructive over the long term. Fair seeming analogy, but the rug isn't large enough ;)

The crime rate isn't down at all. It's just gotten better at hiding what it does.

The crimes are not as violent, perhaps, but they are far more insidious and much, much more destructive over the long term.

The crime rate isn't down at all. It's just gotten better at hiding what it does.

The difference is this: chances are, you can walk down the street of your upper middle class neighborhood after dark without being in fear for your life or for your well-being.

I wouldn't recommend trying the same thing in downtown Philly, New York, LA, or DC.

Or London.

As for being "much, much more destructive over the long term" -- I'd look at a couple of centuries of history in the US -- and the fact that more people are being successfully fed than at any other period in history........

.......as opposed to several millenia of history in certain other parts of the world.

Personally, I'll go for the "corrupt" upper middle class lifestyle, over the way that others live in the Jungle.

Sure, it's great to live in the jungle.......so long as you get to be the tiger. Or the mamba. Or the crocodile.

But not if you are the deer.

And there are a lot more deer than there are tigers.

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Trust me......

Being a Tiger isn't all that it's cracked up to be.

Although some are convinced otherwise. Message edited on: 04/26/2005 13:05

"Trust me...... Being a Tiger isn't all that it's cracked up to be. Although some are convinced otherwise." Trust is for suckers. (quote from a movie, lol) I'd rather not be a tiger, myself. Tigers have a bad habit of living like animals. They are not at the top of the food chain, either.

My hamster is afraid of the tiger

They are not at the top of the food chain, either. That depends........ Sometimes they are. ;)

But they, in their turn -- sometimes get eaten. Which was my point.

I like the nice art, the chance to put up almost anything without getting shot down (maybe that's why most of them are in orbit..;), freebies, help when I need it, a chance to give help where I see it, and to yack with the rest of the crazies in here..

and to yack with the rest of the crazies in here

Nahhh....there's nobody like that around here.

No one. Promise.

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Everyone is crazy. It's just that some manage to hide the fact better than others.

I'm just here for the Hamster pictures! :)

Not to stray toooooo far off topic...but, IS there a Poser hamster? Or are the galleries safe for now LOL?

"HI MIZRAEL. ANYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT TOS AGAIN?"

(beware of the Rambo Hamster)

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"Prinicpal reason for Rosity, though? IT's the granddaddy. And, Like many a granpapppy, it tends to be crotchety and stubborn and behind the times, but still has the experience of years behind it that much can be gleaned from." You can die of old age...

You can die of old age... I don't see any signs of that happening around here. If anything, the site just keeps growing.

"If anything, the site just keeps growing." True...but... It would be hard to count all the Memeber/Merchants that have left for "green" pastures.

*It would be hard to count all the Memeber/Merchants that have left for "green" pastures.*The same at PPros, DAZ ... its imposible to conciliate greeks and trojans. The diversity is the community soul.

"You can die of old age... I don't see any signs of that happening around here." wanna bet ----------------------------------------------------- For many, many of us it's just the central place to find the daily freebees.

Who said anything about Geeky Trojans! Bring on the Hamster Dance!

For many, many of us it's just the central place to find the daily freebees.

I wonder why many, many more freebies are offered here than at any other site?

There must be a reason for that......but I can't possibly figure out what it could be.........?

Actually, it is inevitable that Rosity will die -- that is, that it will slowly decline in importance and value until it is just another site and / or loses the value it has for the ownership. The issue most commonly raised is the means of that ending -- and so far I haven't seen any cold or sniffle that can keep the beast down after the site wars that it already survived and grew through. Until then, though, it exists. Deal with it in your own way. For some, that will be calls that the TOS is unfair, or that the moderators are idtiots, or that there is collusion among people. Eh. FOr me, it's the place I read when I'm waiting for a render to finish or a texture to save or I'm in that funky "nuttin doin'" mode and just wanna babble. Every site out there has something about it of value to someone -- if you don't like the site, don't go.

if you don't like the site, don't go. I have to agree with that one.

"There must be a reason for that......but I can't possibly figure out what it could be.........? " It certainly isn't the site's management and ownership overall, Xeno. Renderosity advertises better, period. They spend more money on it. Money earned from the sales of merchant's goods and a few services. THere is only one other company active that has the kind of resources that Renderosity has, and they haven't used them in the same way because that company has a different focus - but note that they are just as large. To pretend that it has anything to do with being better is foolish. Better is not always a matter of size, or age, or number of free things.

Renderosity advertises better, period. They spend more money on it. Money earned from the sales of merchant's goods and a few services.

Oh....I've heard many different explanations of Renderosity's success. Most of the explanations are usually couched in terms to make Rendo look bad.....or to make it look like Rendo somehow doesn't really deserve to be as large and as successful as they are (darn it!).

As they say: nothing succeeds like success.

Someone is doing something right.

Otherwise, they'd not attract a cloud of customers in the way that they do.

No matter how much money they had backing them up.

Many corporations with brilliant advertising have long since kicked the bucket.

There's a lot more to lavish success than advertising. At least in the long term.

And Rendo has definitely survived the long term.

no, it hasn't. 6 years is not long term, and the current model for the site as it is now only dates back that far. The number of customers of renderoaity has stayed fairly stable and grows at a rate that's equitable for a site of it's age and size -- and comparable to the growth rate of the other sites. The number of members -- which are used to advertise and appeal -- is unreliable and erroneous (but looks damn good on a spec sheet, and I'd use it myself). Name five corporations with brilliant advertising that have kicked the bucket. Odds are, all of them were bought, taken over, or merged with others. So that statement holds very little water. Those that did fail did so because of internal policies and errors -- marketing was not the failure. Products may fail, even with good marketing, but companies? no. Simply put, They have better marketing. Microsoft had better marketing than Apple. IBM had better marketing than Motorola. Marketing, I should note, is more than just advertising, as well, but advertising, in this case, is the primary key. And Renderosity's marketing methodology -- of which you are part and parcel -- is, thus far, one of the best. That does not, again, mean they are the best site. Just the largest and best known. Those are two different things.

SQUEAK SQUEAK SQUEAK SQUEAK (hamster wheel - this thread is going to be the same than other booored ones ... or sorry, I dont knew that "What do you look for in a Poser community?" means "Critizise Renderosity!!!") "Critizise Renderosity" ... nice logo for a t-shit. Many people of this forum would buy it ... pfffffffffffffffff

There is a difference between critical evaluation and criticsim. Anyone who knows my history here would be aware that I'm both one of the strongest critics and most vocal supporters of the site. I'm outside an easily categorized label. Benefit of lacking sanity.

I'm curious as to what keeps the people coming back to Renderosity. Habit. And I'm intersted in copyright issues, so I frequent the Copyright forum here. And if you frequent another Poser site, what does that one offer that Renderosity does not? Well, I frequent three others on a daily basis. I won't give their names, but people can probably guess. 1) Pleasant, friendly atmosphere and magical theme, plus a tolerent and thoughtful view of nudity. 2) Very intelligent forum participants whose sense of humor and clever debate interest me. 3) Open forum environment with considerable freedom to say what you think, off-topic or not, provided it's contained in the area designated for that purpose. There's another site that I don't visit as often as I should, which features a very intelligent, lively forum community and an erotic theme (and I don't mean Renderotica; I occasionally post images there, but rarely go to the forums). I'm not counting places that I go to regularly to catch up strictly on merchant-related things (i.e., I'm a merchant at the site and so I go to see merchant stuff, but I wouldn't otherwise hang out there). bonni

The chief thing I look for is posts like that one and people who are nearly as insane as I ... posts like that one and people who are nearly as insane as I.... the two things I look for are posts like that one and people who are nearly as insane as I...and beer.... the three things I look for are posts like that one, people who are nearly as insane as I and beer...and an almost fanatical devotion to the TOS.... the four...no... Amongst thing things.... Amongst the things I look for...are such elements as posts like that one and people who are nearly as insane as I.... I'll come in again. [exits] [JARRING CHORD] [bursts in] Amongst the things I look for are such diverse elements as: are posts like that one , people who are nearly as insane as I , beer, and an almost fanatical devotion to the TOS and Pie- Oh damn! Blimey! I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition! bonni (I really didn't. Thanks :-)

Less restriction! A place where the TOS isn't overkill, and censorship doesn't run rampant. I like osity, but the new TOS is rediculious IMHO. The only thing osity has going for it is viewership and the marketplace. Much more artisticly free places out there, hopeful they will grow! Maybe that's osities problem, they have gotten to big, and the little guy means nothing to them! Just what I want, and you asked;')