I challenge any ONE of those who have hit the Poser Hot 20 with their postworked to the Max images to try and make it in there on pure Poser work alone. No Painting...No rendering in any program but Poser. Are you up to the challenge???

grins I'm up for it :)

bk

hahaha, this could be interesting, I've always believed that alot of those artists who get in the poser hot 20 have not realised there full poser potential, simply because they already can create something externally through a third party application/s please, if anyone takes this "challenge" post a link here to your gallery image so I can see it!! placebo is one poser artist in particular that i'd love to see the non-postwork versions of some of his images! I am in no way being condescending (right word?)

I've already done that. :P

That's to easy of a challenge for quite a few artists. All they have to do is tell their friends to vote for it and it will be in the top 20. Not much of a challenge when you think about it. Congrates to the odd couple of artist that have done it.

too true, so many images that get in the top 20 are more of the "look how many friends I have" veriety, and not of the "amazing art" catagory. a shame really I wish people would stop voting for every image a friend makes. your darn lucky to get my vote, if im not genuinely impressed, I dont vote!

That's not much of a challenge. Remember the pink pony? No postwork, but he was always in the top 20.

Well done postworked image = well done image Well done rendered image = well done image crappy postworked image = crappy image crappy rendered image = crappy image

Quote - That's to easy of a challenge for quite a few artists. All they have to do is tell their friends to vote for it and it will be in the top 20.

Geez, people really do stuff like that?!

The pink pony, I remember well. Those were good laughs back then.

Also towards the end it was voted in more to spite many complainers. Also the artist claimed there was a lot more postwork than it looked. Do they do that? Yes. Sad but true. You can also add public voted contests into the mix. But it's been like that for 3+years I've watched and that's just the way it is.

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Top 20? What's that?

Looks like this will be a challenge for about 5 people. That's about how many make it to the Hot20 consistantly.

Hmm..I'm in the Hot 20(,000)..;) hey, if it looks good, who cares what tools were used? As an intellectual experiment, tho, it could be interesting to see where any limitations would take you..;)

Just imagine how bad "Lord of the rings" would have sucked if peter jackson had been a "purist" and used only raw footage with No "post".

Yeah, but Wolf, he didn't have a header at the top of the script telling him to try and do it in camera to see what he could do with the limitations of the camera though did he? Unlike the header at the top of the Poser gallery :)

Attached Link: "poser content" that poser WONT RENDER

Sure, thats cool, post your image in mixed medium (as that is what renderosity galleries class in image using multiple programs as) or just post it right under cinema4D

Nope...... keeping it in the poser gallery its all poser items just rendered in C4D

I have used all 3dstudio models just rendered in poser, but I do not see how that makes my image a 3D studio image. you CREATED the IMAGE in C4D, but you used poser. MIXED MEDIUM how about you tag your thumbnail with a C4D icon in one corner, so people know its not a poser image and can skip right past even better post it in mixed medium, or C4D

i mainly do non postworked images but do dabble occasionally with the nasty "P" word..lol But sadly i will never reach the Hot 20... oh well...

Nahhhhh .... I do all my conforming posing and animation in poser6 and export the figures props to C4D with textures/animation retained. the C4D gallery is for images where the models themselves were created in C4D so full DAZ/ poser content is not really welcome there . Mixed medium is for photoshop scans/collages and such. So im staying in the poser gallery where my images are still "welcome" per the "header" easy enough ;-)

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=900548

Just thought I would issue a simple, and I think fun challenge. Create an image strictly Poser. No other programs, no painting....just Poser. Didn't seem such a difficult thing at the time, but perhaps.....Oh well, I digress. Challenge still stands :-) Oh, and it IS possible my friends. If you looked at my gallery, about the only postwork I do would be to add a sinedot background for my pinup ladies, and optimize the lighting. Aside from that, eveything I do is pure Poser :-)

Cool image!! Raven, once you get up over ten figures though poser gives you trouble that why so many people render in other programs.

I'll take you up on it. Can't get it into the Hot 20 (none of my images ever made it, despite having a decent amount of views and comments), but I can do Pure Poser. It's really not a challenge though unless there's a given theme or something specific. Otherwise, I'll just do a character portrait and call it a day. ;-)

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=980725&Start=1&Artist=maxxxmodelz&ByArtist=Yes

AND I QUOTE :

This gallery is for Renderosity members to display their original Mixed Medium (created with more than one program or tool) images for review, critique and feedback by other Renderosity members

hmm, that sounds like where you should be putting your c4d rendered images if you ask me, or your PS hair and clothed images

but of course, you wouldn't do the right thing, and post in the right place, its obvious that this is true simply from reading your previous replies

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Wrong ;-) it means i have the option of putting them there not that i "Should" >>"Images of Poser figures rendered in other applications are still welcome,"<< thats a quote from the header atop the poser gallery. I am "still welcome" there too so im doing the "right thing" by accepting the gracioous invitation on the front page of the poser gallery besides mixed medium is a freakin ghost own. your stuff will never get viewed there ;-)

Images I have done with no postwork : http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=1015253 http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=1013804 -=NUDITY=- http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=930544 there are others, but these are cool (well, I think so LOL)

theres a difference between doing the right thing, and doing what you are allowed to do.... BUT, how NOT on topic is our little discussion... lets stop arguing over this as a) were getting nowhere b) its way off topic c) we'll never agree

there are aslo different interpretations of "the right thing" dependent entirely on who is subjectively defining it at the moment :-) BTW Maxx I just looked at your gallery as a whole you do some great work with P6 james. and your lighting expertise just leaves me floored in Awe!! Bravo!!!!

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/gallery.ez?ByArtist=Yes&Artist=raven

Ok, maxxxmodelz requested that I give an actual challenge, so here it is: Render an image using a variety of props, and create a scene with them. It can be any genre you choose, from sci-fi to fantasy...the sky is the limit! The only rules are NO postwork, and it must be rendered entirely in Poser. I am just curious to see what some of you might come up with :-) Happy Rendering!

JUST props, no human figures. Right?

You may use human figures if you wish...I personally think it adds something to an image, but if you prefer not to use them, is your choice :-) By the way, I just took a small sampling of your gallery and you are a phenomenal artist...I can't wait to see your results :-)

Thanks. BTW, where can we post our work for this challenge? I have a web server, but some people dont. I think Rosity has cracked down on "unauthorized" contests from what I recall. I remember them removing contest images from people's galleries here and so forth last year.

I guess I misunderstood your first challenge. I thought you were just challenging those who have reached the Hot20 to come up with an image that hasn't been postworked. That would probably eliminate most of the people who have reached the Hot 20. I personally postwork everything and would never think about posting an image that wasn't...kind of like leaving the house naked. Anyway my images don't reach the Hot20 soooo....

Rockets....anyone can post to this challenge .... so if you wish, have at it!! maxxxmodelz....post the image in this thread...that way, no harm, no foul :-)

Ok. Sounds good.

wont people using poser6 with IBL etc, have an advantage over p4 and propack users??

Yes they will have an advantage for sure. That's the nice thing about newer versions. But even without all the new features, P4 renders can still look great. Even though I'm a P6 user I very often use the P4 renderer still, it gives me the renders I want and it's much faster too.

True, users of newer versions would have a slight advantage with some of the better features, but they would still have to do a strictly Poser image. Perhaps anyone who wishes to take up the challenge could state what version of Poser they used to get their results. I personally still use Pro Pack, and I would stack my images up against any made in the newer versions anyday :-)

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=831422&Start=55&Artist=squeeka&ByArtist=Yes

There you go!!!!!!!!!! Now THAT'S what I'm talking about. A truly wonderful image, "straight outta the box" as they say. So you see folks...it CAN be done :-)

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=944370&Start=19&Artist=squeeka&ByArtist=Yes

squeeka, is that stuff that get's into the top20?

squeeka...another fine example, and you used the IBL which I believe was mentioned somewhere in this thread....just goes to show once more that you can achieve greatness without having to do any postwork, and you can achieve it in strictly Poser :-)

Aeilkema Hot20 = Top20. It's whatever you want to call it, still the same thing.

Aeilkema, yes, sometimes... I've had a few images make the hot 20 and that IBL test was picked to be one of the images by the Poser forum mods in the Poser Backroom. There have been a few of my images that haven't been postworked to the extent Avalonne is talking about that have made the Hot 20. I don't have the painting skills that others have like Antje and Bez or prog so I tend to do as much as I can in Poser using what it has to offer and the stuff I buy in the marketplace and Daz.

I've had a look at the Hot20 and most of them are indeed quite heavily postworked and imo quite common images. I haven't seen a single inspirational or exceptional image at all. I've seen some stunning images last week, all of them of a much higher level then these in the Hot20. Also I did notice that hardly any of these hot people participate in the forums. As far as I'm concerned all of the Hot20 images can be heavily postworked since it's hardly worth visiting anyway. Something must be wrong with the voting system. Seem to me like the same deal as with the DAZ PC Monthly Gallery. I stopped voting (and participating) in those after I noticed that a lot of times the best images did not win at all. Whoever rallied the most people to vote did win, no matter how good or bad the image is. Must be the same here..... but that's just my opinion.