I am amazed, and at a loss, how it is possible to take someones picture , suggest improvement and then post it back up again. Make no mistake. I approve 100%. I would just love to know how it'd done. Please explain someone

I am assuming you are referring to a post below....I just saw it, and I would have to say, that if somebody wants to improve on anothers picture and post it, they really should get permission first. Its just a simple right click, save picture as....and then into a post program. Syyd

Well, I think it is a good thing to do this but with the original creators permission. If someone posts a photograph to this forum and says "please help me improve this" or "sugestions for improvement welcome" or something in that vein then I think IMHO that it's cool to take the pic, do your thing and repost it in the same thread. Sometimes, expressing with words how you think something visual could be improved upon just doesn't work. The only way is by visual example. I think in our situation, this is more relevant (and easier to do) with photography than it is to do in 3D or 2D art. I say "do it" if the person asks for help. If they don't ask then ask their permission first. Colm...

Maybe we need some sort of guidelines or FAQ that can be accessed by all. Say beneath the forum banner at the top of the page. What do you guy's think....? Colm

You learn something every day. So it's as simple as a right-click. Thanks Syyd. As for the ethics of it, surely it's no big deal. I thought that we posted our pictures to get other opinions of our work. If not what's the point of it. However it is usually much easier to illustrate a point than to try and put it into words. But I understand there could be some sensetive creatures out there so perhaps we could devise a little logo to put on our pictures if we dont want any interference. How about DAMP. (Don't Alter My Pictures). Any other suggestions?

I think constructive criticism should be acceptable at this place with or without the author's permission. I do not breach anyone's copyright by using, or 'altering' their image, I simply try to illustrate a point and give some pointers. I am here to improve my own photography, as well as share what I already know about a good picture with others. Surely you won't try to ban free speech. There are plenty more rude ways of doing that than diplomatically showing the person what you think could improve their picture. And let' face it: for all the gems we find here on a daily basis, there is still a lot of stuff that needs more work. Photography is a craft and it can only be improved with practice, study and advice from others. It applies to all, no matter beginner, hobbyist or pro. There, I'm out of breath :-)

a1000, I totally agree with you. We have 'NO' intention of putting any sort of ban on 'Free Speech' of any kind. And as far as I know, you are not breaching copyright at all although if I am wrong, I will stand corrected. The problem is, even though it is only meant as advice, someone, one day will get their back up. This Photography forum would not be part of Renderosity if there wasn't a chance of a war someday...LOL I was chatting with Syyd about this this morning. It is difficult to decide what to do about guidelines for critisism and constructive advice. A thread is not much help as the way this forum is going it would be buried by next week. A FAQ maybe, accessible from the top of the page. We have to criticize and we have to be truthful but sometimes you just don't get your message across. Jack you are right too. Art in all it's forms is there to be criticized, praised, pigeon holed and ripped apart by the viewer however they feel is politely appropriate. Any ideas about guidelines in any shape and form that you have or anyone else has please let us have them. This 'NEW' photography forum is less that a week old. We will have a lot of teething problems and this bug bear is just the first. When we have enough info to put a FAQ together, I am sure it is no problem to link it from the top of the page. EVERYBODY.... PLEASE CONTRIBUTE!!!! Colm...

Well, I posted a pic that I thought needed improvement and I was really thrilled to get somebody else's suggestion on what it should look like. I wouldn't mind if people did that to my images - but not TOO much of it.. I mean, everybody has different taste. If every image I did was downloaded by someone else, and then reposted with changes made to it, I wouldn't be too happy because I always try and do my best...and to constantly be told it's not good enough, wouldn't be all positive. But I've got nothing against if I post an image in the forum, and ask for how it could be improved, and people save it and change it how they feel it should be. It would be allright to do it in the forum. But if people started taking images from the gallery and reposting them, I'd be quite offended actually. When people ask for help on how to improve the image, it should be ok...but everybody's different I guess. I know photography is an immensely personal thing to a lot of people, and it can be hard to take advice on how it should be done if that differs from their personal opinion. I reckon as long as the creator of the image states that it is ok to improve his/her image, it must be ok. And you must all be bloody sick of reading me repeating myself now. ~M~

I really don't mind people taking my pictures and doing things to them. I think there is a lot for me to learn so I am open to any and all suggestions. I think that if there is an image we would not like others to fix up, then we should be able to put something in the post saying please don't tamper with my image. But so far I have put a couple of pictures up that you have fixed up for me and I am delighted. This is how I learn. Leigh

I don't mind as long as people change the ones I post in the forum... but if everybody started taking everybody's images from the gallery to change/improve, that would kind of be a bit pointless wouldn't it? Not in any way saying I think my images are all that good...but when I post something in the gallery it's because I'm happy with it....

well i think that it is to the one who upload is pict to be the one who put is term..... Whe are all from different place having probably different culture or belief so...I don't know what is on your mind so spit it out for us to know.... My pic a there for your eyes,your comment. I put them in 800*600 to be use as background when possible... And when i ask what do you think ...well they say a picture worth 1000 words...I do have the original on my computer so your modification doesnt do any arm to me. I see you comment because i posted on the web and i am a mature adult so i think there is no big deals there...The only thing that you will all agree do not modify and repost as your master piece! It whould be an insult to us all! I stick with you all and will follow which ever is decided...To be apreciated i need and audiance.... this not mine but is taken for my email signature and it whas taken from a free trade site... (That doesnt mean it whas free still no told to use it...)